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Hello all. This is my first post on this board and just wanted to say hello and how much I look forward to learning from all of your experience and maybe I can contribute in some way. I've been steelheading the rivers of Oregon since I was a little kid and have recently gotten bit by the spey bug. I purchased a Sage 9140-4 lll-E and was wondering what you all thought of this rod? The reason I ask is because I was casting 15' sinktips on the North Umpqua this past week and it seemed like I really had to labor to get it out there. Given that my spey experience is limited it could be just my lack of talent but I know what a rod should feel like. All my single handed rods are Loomis GLX and they feel so much faster and powerful. Is it just me or is the sage I purchased just better for floaters?
 

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Welcome to our world, Flyjunky. Your question has been dealt with, exhaustively. Try the Search function. You will find many informed opinions that the Sage 9140-4 is (a) too slow, too weak in the butt, barely adequate for lighter sink tips (b) a lively, medium-flexing rod that's exceptionally user-friendly and fine with tips of reasonable weight.
I'd vote for (b), but that's just my openion. It would help to know the weight of the sink-tips that are giving you problems; every spey rod has its tip-lifting limits. And is the floating part of your line heavy enough to transmit power to the tip?
 

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Flujunky,

Since you like fast rods like the GLX single-handers, you will probably never be happy with the slow-action Sage 9140-4, whether with sink tips or floating line. The use of an 8/9 line helps because it is really an 8/9 rod unless you are using a short Skagit style head for a line. However, the rod is going to be a slow-action rod even if you underline it with a 7/8 line.

It is too bad that you did not ask before you bought the rod for recommendations of what rods would serve you best given your preference is rod-action being fast.

To get what you are looking for, you are going to have to get a faster rod. One of the 2-handers by T&T's, GLX's, new Lamiglas, Meiser's quick recovery rods, Loop Blue or Green Series, and possibly the CND Steelhead Specialist would provide it to you. These are fast or medium fast rods and will have the quickness and power you are looking for.
 

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I may be mistaken but Sage has changed the taper on the 9140 many times in the
last 12 or so years. In the last 4 years
they went from the green rod to the
brown 4 piece rod. I think the green
was a moderately fast taper where
the brown is a more traditional medium
taper. You should not have any problem
getting 15' sinktips out of the water.
maybe you have to much line out.
I have a green 9140 and use a 9/10/11
windcutter and don't have any problem.
A 10/11/12 cast great on it also with
midbelly out.

Kevin
 

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good point on how much belly is beyond the tip, tho to much, and your shooting qualities start to suck ("my name's Feiger, and my casting SUCKS!!!" oh wait, wrong thread...)... i use a 8/9/10 WC with tips, type 3 and 6, no problems with all but the first foot of the belly/yellow beyond the tip top. put on the type 8 for dredgin', and i need to bump up 6' or so. i'm casting the teal blank 9140 as well...
the newest version of the 9140, with the "tiger eye" blank, is supposedly even faster and stiffer, tho its relative to their european blanks and other rods like the CND's, Loomis, and TnT's... or so i'm told, right flytyer???:D .
 

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Flyjunkie,

The Sage 9140-4 is a hallmark of spey rods. I love mine and will never sell it! However the line you put on will seriously impact it's performance. When I chose mine I searched this board and Speypages for about a month. Finally I chose a Windcutter 8/9/10F and Airflo poly tips. I can't recommend this combination enough. Always a pleasure to cast and works well in all the fishing situations I have encountered.

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