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I have narrowed my choice to burkheimer rods I am looking at a 8134-4 or a 8139-4. I mainly fish the clear water and the salmon river, big flies and heavy line in the winter months. Looking for some advice-PROS+CONS PLEASE
 

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8139-4 is a bit faster, but compare to 8134-4 ( wt.8 ) it is more of a 7.7-7.8 wt rod. You have hinted big flies. For me a big fly is a lightly weighed 3.0" Rhea Intruder on tube with just 0.35 gr ( 5 gr) cone head. For other it is much heavier 5" rabbit leach.

I rarely use Skagit heads, but for this type of head, 8134-4 is better choice. Otherwise, it you plan to use Scandi heads of various density, WA type lines, I suggest to play with both rods before making the final decision.

I have both rods and love them, but during the last two seasons on Bulkley 8139-4 was used more frequently.
 

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Big flies heavy lines that's all you need to say. 8134-4



Just out of curiosity why did you rule out the 8142-4?
 

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I keep wondering why people people seem to shy away from the 8139-4 as a winter skagit rod. It's a little fast... It's not quite a true 8 weight... I'm sure this rod is amazing, I haven't fished it, but what's it's true calling? Nextcast Winter Authority lines with T-11 and a river where the winter steelhead never get bigger than ten pounds? I don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities here. I'm a huge fan of Burkheimer rods, I own a lot. I just want someone to come out and say this rod is the sh*t and isn't limiting.

Rob?
 

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James, the 8139-4 is a great rod just not quite a true 8 wt and there are better choices for big flies and heavy tips.

It would be an excellent choice for the North Umpqua in June 1/0 fly and a 15 foot type 6.. stuff like that.

also i am one that thinks a lot of people go under-gunned in the winter there is a big difference between what you can do and what you should do. therefore i tend to steer people to the rods i think they should be using for a given situation.
 

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I keep wondering why people people seem to shy away from the 8139-4 as a winter skagit rod. It's a little fast... It's not quite a true 8 weight... I'm sure this rod is amazing, I haven't fished it, but what's it's true calling? Nextcast Winter Authority lines with T-11 and a river where the winter steelhead never get bigger than ten pounds? I don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities here. I'm a huge fan of Burkheimer rods, I own a lot. I just want someone to come out and say this rod is the sh*t and isn't limiting.

Rob?
This is one of two custom Burkie's I have and it is a true 'toss tips' rod. My go to Winter fishing rod here on the upper Rogue when you need to toss something 'heavy,' tip included.
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This is one of two custom Burkie's I have and it is a true 'toss tips' rod. My go to Winter fishing rod here on the upper Rogue when you need to toss something 'heavy,' tip included.
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Fred,

The 8139-4 is not the rod you had. Your rod is 3pc. 8139-3
 

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I would pick 8134-4. More versatile in my opinion. Great with GL shooting heads and Airflo 575gn skagit compact.
 

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I have a 7125-3piece that I use on the salmon river, and an older 8139-3 piece that I use on the Clw. Ive caught salmon river fish with the 8139; and its not all that fun, which is why I went to the 7 weight (which may be undergunned on the Clw). that's just my 2 cents
 

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The Burkie you really want is a Meiser MKS 13'6" 8/9.
 
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Either the 8134-4 or 8139-4 would work, but agree with others that the 8134-4 is slightly more powerful and forgiving of sinktips, big flies, stuck anchors, etc. The 8139-4 will do tips but leans to finesse, with a lighter top half that's easy and sweet when there isn't excessive anchor stick. The 8139-3 is more powerful.
 

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I keep wondering why people people seem to shy away from the 8139-4 as a winter skagit rod. It's a little fast... It's not quite a true 8 weight... I'm sure this rod is amazing, I haven't fished it, but what's it's true calling? Nextcast Winter Authority lines with T-11 and a river where the winter steelhead never get bigger than ten pounds? I don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities here. I'm a huge fan of Burkheimer rods, I own a lot. I just want someone to come out and say this rod is the sh*t and isn't limiting.

Rob?
I have seven Burkies and I use the 8139-4 more than any other. It is my go-to rod on the Babine, Bulkley and the Copper when I'm fishing wet. Admittedly, I'm not fishing those rivers in the winter but I have on occasion used T-14 on the rod when river conditions dictated. Most of the time I'm not using anything heavier than T-8 or 5' of T-11, but I can't say that I have felt the rod to be sluggish on those occasions when I've thrown T-14. I've also landed fish to 18 lbs. and played them very hard and fast with absolutely no problem.

I guess I'm with you in that some of the other comments confuse me. The nuance of 7 3/4 is lost on me and I guess it doesn't really matter. Different strokes, etc. But the rod is a great all-around steelhead stick. I can cast that sucker a country mile and fish it all day without getting fatigued. It is the definition of progressive and makes a perfect marriage with a FF45 IMO. I may reach for the 8152 on the Skeena or the 7117 on Haida Gwaii, but I wear out that 8139-4 a great deal of the time.
 

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Burkies....gotta love 'em!!!!!!

I've been using exclusively the 8152-4,this rod is phenomenal with the older(now)mint green Delta shorts,and sunrise yellow Delta longs,all cut back for tips,or loop the floater on when conditions permit.
For other times when I might want to go really heavy tips T-material I go to the 9145-4....or those same Delta lines 10-11 both long and short and 15ft DC tips.......or if you want a light spectrum 8wt. heavier spectrum 7wt. in a shorter rod,you simply can't beat the good 'ole 7133-3.
For low water beginning of season floater rod 7141-4 with a Delta Long 6/7...this set up is THE sweetest casting combo I've ever cast...it is magic!!!

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Fred,

The 8139-4 is not the rod you had. Your rod is 3pc. 8139-3
Damn, why is everyone always correcting Fred on what rod he has!

You really should know Fred...
 

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Why was the 8142 ruled out again? Doesn't it sit in between the power of the 8139-4 and the 8139-3?? or is it just more of a dry line rod and found wanting while throwing tips?
 

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Why was the 8142 ruled out again? Doesn't it sit in between the power of the 8139-4 and the 8139-3?? or is it just more of a dry line rod and found wanting while throwing tips?
Good question! This whole, which-Burkie-8-is-the-best-winter-rod, is the debate I've been having in my head for months. That, and I'm still trying to figure out what rod Fred is really fishing.
 

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no debate at all the best 4 piece winter run burkheimer is the 8134-4 runner up would be the 8142 for larger rivers and the 8128 for smaller rivers
best 3 piece winter burkie is the 8139-3
 

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What is it about the Meiser that you prefer over the Burkie(s).

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My comment is based on the fact that the Meiser MKS 13'6" 8/9 is a fabulous Rod for winter steelhead fishing using heavy sinktips and large heavy flies with a Skagit head. There is a great deal of feedback of the rod loading that extends all the way into the hands. With this information and minimal casting energy the rod unloads and launches casts with great authority and distance. It is also a powerful tool for fighting strong and/or large fish. I have never fished either of the Burkheimers, however.
 
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