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I have to come clean... I am a single hand rod user. I fish for steelhead in the NW. I needs me a spey! If you could do it all over again, what one rod would you pick to get started? My budget affords me one rod to learn on, and be able to use all year. Any help would be great. Thanks...
 

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CND Expert series 1409 @ $375.00 with an Airflo Delta Long 9/10 @ $68.00. I would buy a floating line to start and use poly sinking leaders looped to a 30"-40# Maxima butt section if you want to use a sinktip. That rod will also nicely cast the 8/9 Delta and Delta Long as well as the 7/8 Delta and Delta Long.

I can highly recommend Mark Bachmann in Welches. www.flyfishusa.com
 

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Thanks for the tip. I bought a Winston single hand rod from Mark. You're right, he's a great help.

I was looking at the Sage 9140 or 9141. How do they stand next to the CND? I don't plan on casting a mile, but I would like something that can cast a heavy head, which is a must on the Kalama. I hear the 9141 casts the Windcutter 8-9-10 lines rather well.
 

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Burkheimer 13'9" #8 (8139). After a few Sage rods, this is the stick that I should have bought 6 years ago.
 

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Well for me, comparing the CND Expert 1409, Sage 9140 and the Sage 9141 is like comparing apples and oranges. The 1409 and the 9140 have a traditional action. I sell the CNDs so I'd have to say I like them a little better but I like the 9140 pretty good also. Those actions fit my taste just fine. I believe with a Skagit line and a sustained anchor cast like the Perry Poke these rods will cast your heavy heads quite nicely.

The 9141 is a "Euro" action I believe and is quite fast. I wouldn't recommend it for a "rookie" but that is just my opinion. We are talking about spey casting and if you ask 20 guys the same question you will most likely get 30 answers.

I know the CND will work great with the lines I spoke of. If you like a different brand line you can always use Peter's Casting Weight Chart to crossover. For me the 9140 works best with a Delta 7/8. There are a lot of great rods out there. Some people think if you like fast single handers you'll like fast two handers. I don't know if I entirely agree with that but we are back to opinions, see paragraph 2. Figure out what you can spend and start looking. Deal with a shop or private party that will let you test drive the rods on your water.

Bachmann knows a great deal about spey rods and is an alright guy. He also has some good deals on used equipment as do I. Have fun!
 

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I have to agree with Steve. The Burkie is very nice. Meiser's new MKS 13'6" 8/9
is very nice also. A CND 1308 custom is a good lower priced stick. I have a Sage 9140 greenie I would sell if you are so inclined.
 

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Oh so many rods to choose from. If you can make it to Aaron Reimers day on the river outings, you can play with many many rods from custom beauties like Meiser to large companies like Sage and the such.

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As a spey junkie who has been in the game not so long that I can't remember what the beginning felt like, I can tell you that if you plan to throw mainly tips go for a faster rod like the CND custom or specialist series. The softer rods are harder to throw tips on, one of my first findings. I notice that you really did not give a dollar amount in your mention of a budget. If it's in the $500 range I'd call mike at Redshed and test drive a custom or even the Skagit specialist, my favorite CND rod. The Burkheimer will cost you substantially more, but in the long run will be worth it. E Bay will get you a used Sage 7141 fo about $400. A Meiser rod is a sure bet! $500 to $600. Call Bob to talk about the particulars. Man! The sky's the limit. Just stay clear of the softer, traditional rods.

If I had under $500 to spend I'd call the Red Shed and be specific about what you're wanting in a rod, you won't be displeased with the results.
 

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Fairhooked,

If you are looking at the Sage 9140, I have one of the older brownie versions of it that I'd like to get rid of because it hasn't been used in 4 years. I prefer fast rods like my T&T's and GLX, which is why the Sage hasn't been used the last 4 years. The rod is in very good to excellent condition and has only been used 7 times since the top and 3rd sections were replaced by Sage after I had the wind blow a car door shut on my half taken apart rod.

If you are interested, send me a private message. I'd like to get $350.00 for the rod.
 

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Call/e mail Mike at the Red Shed (redshedflyshop.com) His service and expertise is the best in the business and you will be completely satisfied with the selection he offers.

Wish I would have started off steelheading with a two hander and Mike's advice on putting together what works. I haven't found better expertise or service in the spey business than from the Red Shed...you will be satisfied and off on the right foot.

PM me if you would like any additional specifics regarding Mike's service, my learning curve and mistakes, or to chat about inland NW steelheading on the fly.

Chris
 

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Get some instruction

first and get to River Run in Carnation or The Fly Fishing shop to test drive some of the rods. Until you get some ability and try some rods and lines it will be difficult to make a choice that you will want to live with.

It will make a difference what you want to fish for and the rivers you will cover. Will salmon be part of the menue? What distance? If salmon are in your future, you will want a little heavier system than if they are eliminated.

My personal choice would be a rod from Meiser, Burkheimer, or the Skagit Specialist.
 

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If I should start it all from the beginning...

I would do it with Loop Yellowline 14' 9-10. It does not mind if you want to use short shooting heads or the 9-10 XLT; it will cast them all.
Don't know if Loop has changed their carbon lately, but the Yellow I bought this year, is a wonderful tool.
 

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fairhooked said:
I have to come clean... I am a single hand rod user. I fish for steelhead in the NW. I needs me a spey! If you could do it all over again, what one rod would you pick to get started? My budget affords me one rod to learn on, and be able to use all year. Any help would be great. Thanks...

Hi, I am a in the same situation as you. I researched this alot, and came to the following conclusions:
1) Redshack is awesome!! They should be the first place you go to.
2) I talked to Jeff Putnam, one of the areas best spey teachers, and his beginners hands down prefer the redington and gary anderson rods. When I say redington *I DO NOT MEAN THE PRE SAGE REDINGTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Did I stress that enough :)
The redington is a great rod, $250 and the unconditional warranty is only $20.

3) TFO is a awesome company. For a low/mid priced rod you cant go wrong with a tfo.

4) What did I end up going with? My choices were between a gary anderson 8 weight grey $400 and a redington red ($250) a rio wincutter multi tip ($150) and either a teton tioga 12 ($200) or a ross big game 6 ($425).

Gary anderson (541 582 4318) made it a no brainer. He had a used once demo for $250, and threw in the rio multi tip windcutter for free.
 

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Hey Steve...

While I would have really liked to sell you a rod it sounds like you did good. Thanks for the plug! Have fun and catch a BIG one.
 

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fairhooked,

Spend the money to take spey lessons. The time on the water and with instruction will help you determine what type rod you prefer. The four hour lesson I took helped me select a rod in my price range that I was very happy with.

If you can make it up to Carnation, WA on Sat. mornings you will be helped by the best in the business and have a large number of rods to try. Well worth the gas and motel cost. Sat. morning on the river is a gathering of some of the best casters and instructers in the Seattle area. I learn something every time I go.

Rich
 
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