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Matt Arciaga
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Very nice spey. Vintage spey had 4 turns of rib generally.
Kevin,

Thanks bud, but please do me a solid and click the link, about half way down you'll find the referenced fly showing 4 of each color broad flat tinsels, the 8th being hidden by the throat on the vintage and mine. The Francis and francis catalog showed the purple King this same way except two small golds were used in place of the broad flat gold, one as the body rib and one to secure the hackle.

Thanks,

Matt
 

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Semantics, gentlemen.

A very nice spey done in that old manner with the coque feather, the BM, the blind-eye hook, etcetera. A very close replica - and maybe as close as it gets. Gut-loop for the eye would put it there for sure. Quite proper none less.
 

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A very nice spey done in that old manner with the coque feather, the BM, the blind-eye hook, etcetera. A very close replica - and maybe as close as it gets. Gut-loop for the eye would put it there for sure. Quite proper none less.
Thanks Sir,

A very good question... I can honestly say that this is definitely not the widely accepted methods for tying a Spey fly. I think that is the number 1 reason I do it. There is not a whole lot of people out there besides Bob Frandsen, Colin Innes and a hand full of other guys that who tie them this way and do it well. Luckily enough Bob and Colin are the two major contributors to that site that I referenced above. I care ALOT about dressing hooks this way. I wont stop doing it.

Steadfast,

Matt
 

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Matt,

Great looking pattern. No complaints about the ribs here. My question is did you fold the coque or is one side stripped? I'm guessing the former. I think from a fishing fly perspective I would be curious to see it tied a bit sparser. Not a criticism at all, just like my Speys tied sparse.

Keep them coming.

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Matt,

Great looking pattern. No complaints about the ribs here. My question is did you fold the coque or is one side stripped? I'm guessing the former. I think from a fishing fly perspective I would be curious to see it tied a bit sparser. Not a criticism at all, just like my Speys tied sparse.

Keep them coming.

Sinktip
Yeah bud you got it, full folded and palmered, note that it was tied in from the BASE of the hackle, the usable part anyway. Take a look at this fly, this is a shortened AJ 1.5 with one of those 8-10 inch black coque tail feathers STRIPPED on one side sparse but still nice and full, tons of movement!
 

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I understand the desire to be faithful to the "original" patterns, but find debates about the "proper" number of turns of tinsel to be a bit like debating the proverbial number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. (Would that be archangels, or mere cherubs, or some of both?) Pick a "traditional" Spey / Dee pattern. Just about any one will do. I would bet that it would be easy to find variances in the dressing in both documents and period samples from the 1860's to the 1930's. In many cases, there is even variation in the way the originators of some of the "authentic" patterns tied their own flies at different points in their careers.

Will the REAL Green King please stand up? There will be more than one empty seat in that lineup, for sure.

Regardless, the one pictured here is a beauty. I'd be proud to fish it.
 

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Good. Points.

I agree with everything you said Aldo, I never want to debate anything really, which is why I like to list the reference used. it was made in its image, lol, that sounded biblical... I thank you and anyone else for any and all words of encouragement, and hope to continue to progress in the months to come.
 
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