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I am interested in buying a 16' spey rod. I am fairly new to spey casting so I am looking for something more on the traditional side, however I am not opposed to the faster action rods. I do not care about the line wt as much because I am not going to fish the rod very much. I simply enjoy casting and I thought casting a rod of this size would be a blast. also I mispelled my user name and would like to fix it. If some one knows how to change it please let me know.
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Howdy Mike, You can fix your user name by editing you profile. Click the user CP button on the top left center of your screen. As to big rods, CND makes the Thompson Specialist at 16'7". RIVER RUN ANGLERS also has some other BIG sticks. Check the sponsors link at the top left of the screen. Take care, MJC
 

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Also check out the T&T 1611. My favorite big rod with the CND Thompson specialist a close second.

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Daiwa Alltmor 16'

The above rod has been my standard tool for big rivers for the last three years. Three piece, medium-slow action, 10-12 lines (and I wonder if it was designed by the creator of the CND rods, when he was Daiwa Scotland's designer?). You can find reviews in the archives; search for: "Daiwa Alltmor 15'," Dana's very similar rod. I got it for about $330, s&h included, from John Norris Co. (not a sponsor, but who'd expect it from a British seller?).
 

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Like Sean, I prefer and use a T&T 1611 over the CND Thompson Specialist; however, the CND Thompson Specialist is a rod that I could be equally happy with, even though it is slower action than the T&T 1611. I have also cast and really like the GLX 15 1/2 ft 11/12 rod, I wish it were 16 feet though.

There are quite a few very nice 16 ft rods on the market, and they are available in every action from slow to dedium to fast. The best thing to do is find a shop that has a 16 ft rod, make arangements to cast it, and then decide after casting about 3 different ones. When I bought my T&T 7 years ago, I cast 5 different rods from 15 1/2 to 16 ft in length before making the T&T my choice.

Speybum (one of the sponsers of the forum) can get the whole B&W, CND, and T&T line of rods. And all of them have 16 foot or longer 2-handers.
 

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Nothing beats the T&T 16 for a big river rod. I broke mine while landing a 28 pound Rynda salmon in June.

Can not wait until I get it back. Used several other good rods after the break, including the excellent CND Thompson one, but still felt like cheating on a dead wife. It does anything you want that sweet T&T 16, with great ease at that.

A mourning Swede,

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So these longer rods require even less effort to cast? Also do thet feel heavy while casting. Do they feel like the winston DB?
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The T&T 16 footer does not feel at all like the Winston DB. It is a faster, less tip heavy rod. Although it is heavier than a 15 ft 10 wt, the slight extra weight is not noticeable within a very few casts. The 16 ft rod is much better able to pick up and cast longer lines and sink tips than the more common 14 and 15 foot rods.
 

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Some new toys are coming

I recently had a chance to work with a 17ft 9inch 10 weight scaled for 900 to 1100 grains if line.
Multi modulus 6 piece proto type with a very fast recovery rate and mid progressive action

Having work with both the CND 16ft 7" 10/11/12 Thompson Special and Thomas and Thomas DH1611/9 I found this rod a tab faster than the T&T.
My using Multi modules pieces a manufactory can tune the deflection rate of rod more precisely that with the three or four piece rods.

It is my option that their will be a few more long rods hitting the U.S. market in the future.


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Just what those Long Belly Line Lover want

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Speybum,

Are you going to have this 17'9" rod at September's Clave? I'd love to cast it for you know that I have been waiting for a manufacturer to produce an 18 ft fast-action rod for a 10 or preferably 11 wt line. This rod sounds like it might be the type I've been looking for to cast the GrandSpey out yonder and to provide additonal line mending capability. And having a 6-piece rod nearly 18 ft lond would be very nice for transporting it in vehicles instead of the more common 3-piece.
 

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Flytyer

The only thing that the Manufacture let me say is just what I had in the post.
Took me a week to get permission to post that much.

The proto type was Wisk away a reel cloak and dagger thing.

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Russ you will be the first to know when it is done in design what I had was just that a proto type with a tight lipped rep with it.
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Aaron,

I'm waiting with some impatience for a big 18 ft fast-action stick. In other words, me want, me want!

I've even thought of contacting a blank manufacturer located in Southwest Washington about building an 18 ft, 5 or 6 peice fast-action blank for use with the 10/11 GrandSpey.
 

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18 footers

for what it's worth, i had a chance to cast a number of 18 foot rods at the recent competition. i'm not strong enough to fish one of these all day long, and none of the other competitors would do so; they only come out for the competition.

nevertheless, i cast the clan 18 footer (blank manufactured in asia, then finished in scotland - cast peter anderson's personal rod), a couple of b&w (including scott mckenzie's stick), ian gordon's carron custom (blank made custom for carron by b&w), and steve's burkheimer. i did not cast the japanese fellows' 18 footers, but they looked too fast in action for me.

all of the 18 footers were HEAVY. the b&w were very through action, definitely have the wall thickness to really crank on, no fear of breakage. the clan rod was slightly faster in action, but also (as peter anderson would say) "a man's rod". steve's burkheimer was way to stiff for me; it would take someone as strong as steve to flex it. my favorite was ian gordon's carron custom rod. for an 18 footer, the best i have cast. good response, not too slow and "tippy", not so fast as to make casting it unforgiving. i have also cast a couple of alltmor 17 foot protos, they are coming along nicely.

i cast a one-off prototype designed by ally gowans. this was a delightful, light in hand, relatively full action 17 footer that cast classic spey casts like a dream. we were chucking all of my line (9/10 xlt with 50 feet of saltwater shooting line) into the backing (170+ feet to fly, linear distance somewhere around 52-53 yards or possibly more) off the casting "course".

prior to purchasing an 18 footer, i would really recommend the potential buyer cast one for a couple of hours to see if it's really something you want bad enough to spend $800-1000 on, and if it's something you are likely to fish a lot.
 

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I can noot agree more with Spey_Bubba,

Be very careful before you invest heavily in a really long rod. Chanses are that it will tucked away in your wardrobe once you realize how awkward they are to your body.

I have fished a good deal with 17'-18´ rods, back when also I thought that they would help me across to where one imagined the fish were out of reach for others.

Not anymore. For practical fishing where one wants to put long hours in anything just over 16' is too long. At least to my experience.

If the casting technique is improved, 95% of us will reach much further with our standard rods than what we ever can achieve just by buying a 18' rod. There are no shortcuts around that boring truth!

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Per and Spey-bubba,

Yes, this is very true. And most people I know do not like the extra leverage and little added weight of my 16 ft rod. I love the rod, as is evident to anyone who has been reading the forum for a few months, and fish is from morning till night without fatique. However, there have been many folks who have cast my rod on the river and they do not like the slight extra effort they need to expend. These folks tend to be 5'10" or shorter in height and are usually fishing 14 ft rods. As you know, there is a dramatic difference between the 14 ft and 16 ft rods. Also, almost without exception the folks who do not like my big T&T are using slow to medium-action rods and the quickness of the T&T is also something they are not accustomed too, nor an action that they particualarly like.

I am one of those individuals who doesn't fish a rod shorter than 13 ft, and who is finding the 13 foot rod less to his liking each year. I haven't found a rod that is a fast and progressive as my 13 ft GLX though in a 15 or 16 ft rod for an 8/9 line. I keep longing for a fast, progressive 15 or 16 ft 8/9 rod. I have cast a few that are not bad, but they lack the quickness or butt power that I like.
 

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PER makes the quintessential point; that there simply is no substitute for good technique. with the advancements in equipment over the last few years, one can cast well beyond where the fish are 95% of the time with shorter sticks; the issue then becomes one of line control.

i have the T&T 1611 and the 1510 is a sweet rod as well. i have experienced breakage problems with both rods. they seem to handle shooting heads well, but longer belly lines seem to exert too much torsional stress on the mid section - there does not seem to be enough hoop reinforcement in the middle section of the rod. my favorite T&T rod is the 1409 - an absolutely lovely and extremely capable rod (and which has yet to break!).

if you are looking for a fast action rod with a very powerful butt section, you owe it to yourself to check out the scott SAS series. although i don't care for the 1308 (too stiff), the 1409 is one of my (and simon gawesworth's) absolute favorite sticks, and the 1510 is a cannon. AND you can't beat the price... they retail for around $400 something (made completely in the usa, not like most of the other mid-price rods). the redesigned handle is excellent for both conventional spey grips as well as underhand style casting. scott is in the process of refining the existing SAS series with some new lengths and refined actions, the series is likely going to move to 4 piece rods (same price point) and will be called the A2 series.
 

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the A2 spey rods are currently in early prototyping. the A2 single hand series is complete, and will be formally unveiled at teh Denver FTR show next week. i don't know the exact release date of the complete A2 series.

for a progressive/fast action sub 13' foot stick, my all time favorite is the scott ARC 12' 8" 7 weight. I have landed 25 pound king salmon on it (not hooked on purpose!), and it is the most efficient casting rod per inch that i think i have ever cast.
 

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Pete, interesting you should bring up 8wt

Spey rods. Several of us were talking about the manufacturing 'blank' for 8wt spey rods. Lots of 7's, 8-9's, etc., but we could only come up with a couple of rod manufacturers that built a specific 8wt rod.

General question for the group: Who/anyone do an 8wt (as Pete described above) in a 14-15 foot rod?
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Sage 8150 until recently!

There have been a number of these surface recently in the For Sale By Owner section. I got my out recently and went to the river with it and my Scott SAS 13' 8 wt. I cast the Sage first and was surprised at how heavy it was. But it handled the line with authority!! It hs been described as a cannon and it is!

When I put the same line on the SAS, I really had difficulty in getting started. I couldn't feel the rod. After about 10 minutes, I could handle the same amount of line but not with the boom as the Sage.

I beleive tht there is a Winston Derk Brown tht is a 15' 8 wt. (also to be discontinued??)
 
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