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ClaudeH 07-30-2019 10:52 PM

Beulah Aero head
 
I recently tried casting a Beulah Aero head 6/7 (44`) with my Loomis Pro4X 12`6 for 6/7. Seem I can't lay out he line properly. Is there a technique to properly cast this 44`line ? I mostly use single or double spey.

glcaddis 07-31-2019 10:29 AM

Is this your first experience with a mid-belly head? If you are mostly a skagit caster, using sustained anchor casts, the biggest difference IMO is the rhythm of the cast. Sustained anchor casts are a bit jerky and the long sweep makes up for it. With the longer lines, comes a need for a smoother, more fluid action. Try to avoid introducing slack into any part of the cast. Usually, slowing down will help as long as you keep the cast moving.

bender 07-31-2019 10:48 AM

Have you put it the thin end towards the fly? ;)

You can begin casting quite a lot of line inside the rod and then slowly take more line out and eventually you have full head out. Then advance to one feet of overhang and when it goes good begin shooting line again short length first.Those are the steps most have had to do. I have to do them when I begin fishing season.

Esa

Botsari 07-31-2019 11:42 AM

First off what are you putting in the end of the line? I know, more super basic questions, but have to go their first. If it is not a long tapered mono leader as intended for that line then that may be the problem. Again, what fly are you using? Lines like this are not mean to turn over very heavy flies. Sorry to go there, but it is best get those questions out of the way.

Is the line itself not casting well or is it just that the leader isn’t turning over like you like? Those are two very different situations.

The aero heads are some of my favorite lines to cast. Let me assure you that if lined properly for a rod they virtually cast themselves so we should be able to figure this out. But yes, as mentioned above some experience will help as the longer you get the more precise you timing needs to be, and the more you mistakes will get magnified. What do you usually cast on that rod?

Still these lines are as easy casting as you get in their category. However, in spite of what the Beulah PR says are NOT “midbelly” lines by any notion related to how that term has been used up to now, and especially at the light end of the spectrum like the one you mention are really shortish SHORT belly lines! As a reality check 44/12.5 = 3.5! Normally we would consider STARTING to call is a SHORT belly a about 4x. Honestly barely past a long scandi lenght - even on a shortish rod like yours. So a big jump in skill should not be required. It should really be just the first baby step past casting a scandi, and comfortable, so I’m not sure the “length” here is the real issue.

I know some people with those rods but have never cast one. Where is it on the 6/7 spectrum? I know I personally like the 510 gr on my 7wt.

The first thing I do to see if a new line matches a rod well is to do a bunch of switch casts. You can tell everything you need to know from that, and it might eliminate some other casting issues from the mix.

eriefisher 07-31-2019 12:11 PM

Do feel too bad, I had the same problem with a 510 Aerohead on my 13ft 7/8. I cast a A/F 480 scandi and a N/C FF70 8/9 without issue. For some reason I just couldn't make the Aerohead work on my rod. I can also use a Rio Long Sead Spey and it's at the limit but works well.

The only thing I could figure is that something about the taper/design just didn't like my casting style/set up. I put a couple hours into trying to make it go and was only successful about 10% of the time. I finally went back to what works for me.

Dan

Botsari 07-31-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eriefisher (Post 2462400)
Do feel too bad, I had the same problem with a 510 Aerohead on my 13ft 7/8. I cast a A/F 480 scandi and a N/C FF70 8/9 without issue. For some reason I just couldn't make the Aerohead work on my rod. I can also use a Rio Long Sead Spey and it's at the limit but works well.

The only thing I could figure is that something about the taper/design just didn't like my casting style/set up. I put a couple hours into trying to make it go and was only successful about 10% of the time. I finally went back to what works for me.

Dan

So weird! :chuckle:

The 510 was one of those matches made in heaven for me on a 7wt 14’ Burkie. Even before I really “cast” it it was jumping of the tip like it was alive. Similar, if not quite so transcendental, for other line/rod pairings.

ClaudeH 07-31-2019 12:22 PM

I was using a 10`floating poly leader plus 5`fluoro tippet. Mostly use flies in size 5 and smaller. Guess I need to practice my casting with this length of line. Mostly use under hand cast with a Scandi short 390 gr and have no problem. I'm a right hand caster. Maybe I should lift my right hand a little higher (over my head) ?

Botsari 07-31-2019 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaudeH (Post 2462412)
I was using a 10`floating poly leader plus 5`fluoro tippet. Mostly use flies in size 5 and smaller. Guess I need to practice my casting with this length of line. Mostly use under hand cast with a Scandi short 390 gr and have no problem. I'm a right hand caster. Maybe I should lift my right hand a little higher (over my head) ?

Well itís is not a make or break issue, but I would try something more like a 12í tapered mono leader as the starting option. It is a truism that longer lines require longer strokes, so moving away from canonical underhand style. But in this case it is such a small step up in length. :Eyecrazy:

ClaudeH 07-31-2019 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botsari (Post 2462416)
Well itís is not a make or break issue, but I would try something more like a 12í tapered mono leader as the starting option. It is a truism that longer lines require longer strokes, so moving away from canonical underhand style. But in this case it is such a small step up in length. :Eyecrazy:

Thank you, I will try with a standard tapered leader

eriefisher 07-31-2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Botsari (Post 2462410)
So weird! :chuckle:

The 510 was one of those matches made in heaven for me on a 7wt 14í Burkie. Even before I really ďcastĒ it it was jumping of the tip like it was alive. Similar, if not quite so transcendental, for other line/rod pairings.

Maybe if I went up one size it may have worked. This G. Loomis Pro4X tends to like lines on the heavy side.

Dan

coalbe 07-31-2019 01:56 PM

Changing leaders may or may not help; but nobody has asked for more definition around what your casts are doing.

Are they not turning over? Are they not landing straight? Do you feel like you're having to power the forward cast way more than normal?

Which line have you been using before the Beulah Aero? Whats the comparative length between the two? I'm willing to bet its more a flaw in technique than it is in gear. A longer line will require different things than a shorter one. I also feel like shorter lines are much more forgiving to bad technique than longer ones.

Concrete Angler 07-31-2019 02:26 PM

You definitely want a long mono tapered leader nail knotted to the AeroHead, and the thicker the butt section and initial downsteps are, the better. Also, remember to stop the forward cast as high as you can and hold very still after the stop while the line lays out. Only release your shooting line into the cast when you body and rod are at full stop and the forward loop is just starting to extend.

I like a slow lift and sweep/carry into a fast single spey (either side), and they handle snake-rolls very nicely too when you want to break up the monotony.

These lines are phenomenally great fun!

ClaudeH 07-31-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by coalbe (Post 2462438)
Changing leaders may or may not help; but nobody has asked for more definition around what your casts are doing.

Are they not turning over? Are they not landing straight? Do you feel like you're having to power the forward cast way more than normal?

Which line have you been using before the Beulah Aero? Whats the comparative length between the two? I'm willing to bet its more a flaw in technique than it is in gear. A longer line will require different things than a shorter one. I also feel like shorter lines are much more forgiving to bad technique than longer ones.

Using mostly Airflo scandi compact 390gr 31'. The Beulah 6/7 44'. Has I have mentioned I mostly use the underhand casting stroke. Guess I need more practice with the Beulah and a modification in my casting stoke.

bender 07-31-2019 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaudeH (Post 2462450)
Using mostly Airflo scandi compact 390gr 31'. The Beulah 6/7 44'. Has I have mentioned I mostly use the underhand casting stroke. Guess I need more practice with the Beulah and a modification in my casting stoke.

Sometimes line profiles are not and more often weights are not what they supposed to be and based to Dans experience you should check its taper profile. You can compare its belly and tip thickness to your Airflo head if there is significant difference?

Weighing Spey head rear and front half is good measure. A head which rear has less than 60% of head mass is not easy to cast but "turns" bigger fly and polyleaders. A head which has more than 70% mass is very easy to Spey cast but struggle to straighten with big fly and when casting to head wind.

Esa

troutless 08-01-2019 01:10 AM

This is very difficult to diagnose remotely, especially without more details. Video will be your best bet at debugging it.

I don't think there's anything wrong in the setup. These are fairly easy lines to cast, assuming what you want is to turnover the line with maybe a couple strips of running line, they work fine underhand or with a short stroke. You don't need excess hand elevation.

On this line, whatever problems you have, the poly leader will likely make them worse, so, yes, I'd also recommend switching to 12' tapered mono. But I doubt the leader is the root problem. I also wager the same issues are present when you cast the shorter head, they just aren't as pronounced in effect so you haven't noticed them.

Taking some totally wild guesses on the most likely set of problems that occur shifting shorter to longer head:

*) Alignment problems / violation of 180-degree rule with rod path out of the proper casting plane. Diagnostic : line trajectory not parallel to line drawn from D-loop to target. Leader may also be at angle to line trajectory.

*) Something wrong in lift and or sweep/backcast, stroke not long enough to fully straighten and place leader leading to bloody-L. Diagnostic: line trajectory is correct, but, leader and line tip seem to stick in water on forward stroke and leader flies out at an angle to the line trajectory.

*) Prematurely shortening/terminating the stroke, either due to creep or thrusting the top hand forward. Diagnostic: line and leader trajectory are correct, but cast crumples and does not properly turn over.


Bottom line, first be sure your anchors are correct and consistent. Then debug the forward cast.


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