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Dryfter 05-23-2019 12:26 AM

Skagit line recommendation
 
Received a new custom Meiser trout spey rod a few weeks ago. Had Steve Godshall build a 325 grain scandi line for it for swinging soft hackles. I am now looking for recommendations for a Skagit set-up to throw streamers. The rod is a S2H12635CX with a grain window of 300-450. Looking for something I could use this coming weekend.
Thanks in advance.


Kris

JonT 05-23-2019 05:48 PM

I love Commando heads, but if you want something a tad longer (like a few feet), try the Airflo Skagit Scout. It will move plenty of meat.

Dryfter 05-23-2019 06:12 PM

Sorry, I think my post is confusing.I am new to two- handed rods. I was not ruling out commando. I was just wondering if they would work well on this rod and what grain to use and tip lengths. I have a couple commando heads for my 9' single hand rods.


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ryc1972 05-23-2019 06:42 PM

Im a newbie two handed caster and the first thing I tried was the skagit scout with a 10ft tip and while I could cast it I blew my anchor often and had trouble keeping a tight stroke. Changed to a rio skagit max short with a 10ft tip and it made all the difference in the world for me. Nice peel. Can feel the rod load and release. One day as my casting gets tighter (hopefully) I’ll try the scout again but until then I’ll stick with the skagit max short. This is using my loomis imx pro 11’11” 3wt.

SL2 05-24-2019 12:17 AM

I fish a commando smooth 220 grain with 10ft tips on my Highlander Classic 11' 4-5 and love it. With a 12'6" rod you might want to go with the suggestion of a longer head to keep from blowing your anchor. Another option if you like the commando heads would be to go with 12' tips.
Love my Meisers. Best of luck. Enjoy the ride.

Tugs 05-24-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ryc1972 (Post 2452746)
Im a newbie two handed caster and the first thing I tried was the skagit scout with a 10ft tip and while I could cast it I blew my anchor often and had trouble keeping a tight stroke. Changed to a rio skagit max short with a 10ft tip and it made all the difference in the world for me. Nice peel. Can feel the rod load and release. One day as my casting gets tighter (hopefully) Iíll try the scout again but until then Iíll stick with the skagit max short. This is using my loomis imx pro 11í11Ē 3wt.



I have the same rod. What grain weight are you using for the Slagit max short?


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ryc1972 05-24-2019 02:21 PM

I use the 275 grain skagit max short with a 10ft tip and it works pretty well for me casting small lightly weighted streamers. The 4wt Scandi body by Rio with a 10ft floating tip is great as well. I dont remember exactly but I think the scandi is 23ft and 240 grains. it was recommended to me by someone on this forum or speypages and It’s a great fit. Think gorge fly shop still have them on sale for $25 or so.

GHalliday 05-24-2019 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SL2 (Post 2452772)
I fish a commando smooth 220 grain with 10ft tips on my Highlander Classic 11' 4-5 and love it. With a 12'6" rod you might want to go with the suggestion of a longer head to keep from blowing your anchor. Another option if you like the commando heads would be to go with 12' tips.
Love my Meisers. Best of luck. Enjoy the ride.

Commando Heads are fine on rods 12' 6". Just work more overhang into the equation and....booom.

Moonlighter 05-24-2019 09:46 PM

The Rio Skagit Trout Spey head goes up to 375 grains at 17 feet. I have a 325 grain version for my Echo TR 4 weight and like it very much. Very similar to the Airflo Skagit Scout which is also a good choice for a shorter but not ultra short skagit.

Dryfter 05-24-2019 09:53 PM

Would the 250 grain commando with 12' tips okay. That would put the total weight at close to 350. I am still a little confused on the commando head weights v. Other skagits.

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Wetwader 05-25-2019 04:30 AM

First of all, Hi !
As far as you are satisfied with the 325 grain Scandi, what length is it?
I use different Trout Spey equipment from 11’ to 12‘6 rods and I have to say, a Scandi of 300 to 330 grain does it „nearly all“ in streamer size and weight for me, especially on my 12‘6 setup. Maybe not for the biggest mouse patterns...

What was already mentioned here, the short Skagit heads may be too short for a 12‘6 rod.
But they are adaptable very well with longer tips to any configuration you want! And the benefit is better turnover compared to a longer Skagit head and short 10’ tip, especially in the trout Spey category.
If you want something to complement your Scandi, don’t be in doubt with a short Skagit, to cast what you can’t or think you cant with your Scandi for trouts.

The OPST Skagit is a question of taste. I liked it turned around... Mounted as it should be, it got all the weight in front and gave a strange feel to me. As you already experienced, it is good for SH casting. I know it got a lot of followers also for DH use. Maybe it’s only me. I don’t like a tip heavy feel for casting and presentation.

I am using the Airflo Scout in different setups from 300 to 420 grain and love it. But it needs adaption. Tips of 10’ alone are too short, even for my 11‘ rods, at least for me and the distances I need/want. I use 12‘ to 15‘ tips. No problems with blown anchors this way. Distance, control and presentation will improve a lot too.
I also built pieces out of Intermediate lines to loop between head and 10’ tips for the 300, 330 and 360 Scout (length of 1m to 1,5 m in adapted taper and weight, depending on length-weight-ratio of the Head Front and the tip to „hit the balance“ in the middle).
This way it’s a very good transmission from the floating Belly to the sinktip of different densities, both for casting and fishing....
This way it’s possible to use Rio Scandi tips of 10’. For casting and presentation I prefer tapered tips.

For your rod - if you are satisfied with rod load from your 325 Scandi - I would start with an Airflo Scout in 360 grain and 15‘ Rio Scandi tips in #7.
If you choose the way of an Intermediate-„cheater“ between head and 10‘ tip, it would be the Rio tips in #6. The 10’ and 15‘ tips of the same line classification are different in length-weight Ratio. The tips in #6 and 10‘ are comparable to #7 in 15‘.

It’s very nice casting for the heaviest of flies, also for distance.
And I guess distance and wind resistance matters for you. Otherwise you wouldn’t choose a 12‘6 rod.
Even with detailed suggestions you have to experiment what fits your needs and your casting.
If you want to choose the Airflo head, try at least two on your rod, because of production variations in length, mass distribution and total weight. In general, with the Skagit heads and it’s pure mass it’s not that critical, but for the lower weights as for Trout Spey it can be important for the casting characteristics.

Good luck!

bender 05-25-2019 09:04 AM

Biggest difference between Skagit and Scandi lines is the leader length! Scandi head also lightens towards the tip smoother and line loop comes bit smoother as well but its effect is small. So using few feet leader on Scandi you can use bigger fly.

Esa

Jim Mc 05-25-2019 12:35 PM

I have the older Highlander Classic S2H12635C (not X) itís a 250 Ė 400 vs the new X @ 300 Ė 450. I have used both the 300 and 330 Airflo Skagit Scout heads on it, the 330 feels the best all around and loads the rod deeper with better distance on the heavier streamers and sculpin patterns. The 300 works well with slightly smaller less bulky streamers but doesn't load the rod as deep. With T7 / T8 tips 10 or 12 ft long and 30lb Catfish mono or 35lb Lazar itís a dream to cast. I have a Scout 360 head but have not tried it yet. I'm just a beginner but this combo makes me feel like I almost know what I'm doing :D. If I had to guess a line size for the X, I would get a Scout 360 (like wetwader said) and go with a 12ft opst T8 tip (96grain). If I had a way to try many heads, I would start with Scoutís 330, 360, 390 or Commandos 325, 350, 375.

Jim Mc

SkagitMiester 05-26-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dryfter (Post 2452840)
Would the 250 grain commando with 12' tips okay. That would put the total weight at close to 350. I am still a little confused on the commando head weights v. Other skagits.

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It could work buy might feel a tad short. How long is the Scandi head SGS made for you?

How big is the water you plan to fish?

Dryfter 05-26-2019 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SkagitMiester (Post 2452968)
It could work buy might feel a tad short. How long is the Scandi head SGS made for you?



How big is the water you plan to fish?

It is a 30' scandi head. I plan on using the rod on the Henry's Fork and S. Fork snake river. Madison and Missouri rivers. Seems like there is always a good amount of wind.

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