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TUTORIAL - Tying on a married wing

First, this is by no means the definitive way to tie on a wing, but its what works for me.
I just started from the throat hackle, so you have to imagine there is a body tail etc behind all this.
This one is tied on an eyed hook, so i left a little extra space so as not to crowd the eye. It is size 1 old mustad limerick.

Couple of the picture are blurry, but you'll get the general idea.

1. You must have a level surface on which to mount the wing. I mount mine over the the throat hackle after tying the fibers down.
Tie on your throat hackle.


2. wind it full



3. Separate the fibers at the top and distribute them evenly on both sides, then wind your tying thread back about 2-3mm with 4 or 5 tight wraps, your hackles should all be at or below the plane of the hook shank. Make sure the area is level, because if there is a bump it will throw your wing vertical.
Use extra thread wraps to make it level. You will tie your wing in a the wrap FURTHEST from the eye of the hook, and the wing will not be tied down beyond the hackle a the front.



4. make your wing. Here i used 27 slips, 9 of each color. Usually the max i will use is 30-33, depending on wing depth, whether or not there is an underwing, and whether i'm marrying different fibers together. These are all goose shoulder, if you use amherst, golden pheasant, turkey etc, those fibers are thicker, so you will want to use less. Typically i aim for a wing that is just about the width of the hook gap.



5. hold the wing in your tying hand and find the tie in point. Here it is just a bit beyond the bend of the hook. if there was a tail, i'd make sure it fit with the tail length and height, but generally, just a shade over the bend of the hook is a good starting point.



6. Once you've found the tie in point, switch hands by bumping your thumbs and fingers from opposite hands together to get the tie in point, then make a 90 degree bend in the wing by stroking the fibers down with your right hand.


7. reassess the tie in point


8. switch hands again maintaining the 90 degree bend (hidden behind my thumb). at this point i wet the fibers to help them collapse, spit or water, your choice. Notice the gap between the hook shank and the wing!! that is important.


9. Now for the wrapping. make a death grip on your wing. You wont crush it. Dont worry. The death grip is important for keeping the wing shape and to prevent it rolling or breaking apart
Your thread should be hanging down the far side of the hook shank. Bring it under the hook, up and over the wing, then rather than go under the hook shank, go under the wing, through the gap between the wing and the hook above the hook shank, using the pinch wrap so the there is no tension on the fibers. Repeat this pinch wrap over the wing, under the wing through the gap, and back down the other side. Thread should now be on the far side of the shank.


Still maintaining the death grip with your left hand, hold the butts in your right hand and slowly and gently loosen the pinch wraps allowing the weight of the bobbin to collapse the fibers. The left hand should not move up and down, only the right hand and the butt fibers should move slightly inwards towards the wing. These are the ends you want to move, otherwise, if the wing moves, it will be shorter and misshapen - the death grip prevents this!

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Once collapsed, lay the wing on the hook shank, directly above the tie in point and take 3-4 tight wraps towards the eye, all while maintaining the death grip on the wing.
when you're happy its secure, let go with your hand and it should look like this.




see how the wing is tied just one thread wrap forward of the back wrap which tied down the hackle. sides or cheeks will hide this, otherwise, varnish will cover it up nicely if you use a bodkin apply it.


Take two more tight wraps once you're happy, and then cut the butts off close and at an angle. Then tie them down with 5-6 wraps.
If there's nothing else to go on, tie off and varnish, if there's sides, cheeks etc, get them on with minimum wraps ALWAYS going forward to the eye.


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Fantastic!

Awesome tutorial Eunan. Thanks so much for posting this, you've inspired me to try a second attempt at a married wing now. I've had my share of issues with the first one, which after countless re-ties eventually ended up as more of a mixed wing (which actually looked nice, and caught some fish!). You guys make it look so easy!
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Thanks for this.

So you are wrapping sort of figure of 8 wraps around the wing to collapse it? I think I am understanding... Ill play with it later today.
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Thanks for this.

So you are wrapping sort of figure of 8 wraps around the wing to collapse it? I think I am understanding... Ill play with it later today.
not figure 8, Just a normal pinch wrap, twice, but not including the hook shank in the wrap. Just do the wraps around the wing.

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got it, thanks...
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Great little step by step. I've never even dreamed of attempting a married wing but this tutorial almost tempts me. Thanks for posting!

Yet another victim to the two handed addiction ....
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Tie off the head and use that as a come back fly!!

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Great tutorial - sweet and simple.

Nice pattern - btw - that has SeaRun-Cutthroat all over it.
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Great tutorial - sweet and simple.

Nice pattern - btw - that has SeaRun-Cutthroat all over it.
i'll leave the body and tail to you...let me know how you workout !!

Hackle is badger dyed yellow.

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No BS, I mean just as is has all the right profile and motion needed for SRC's.
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A BIG THANKS to Eunan for taking the time to post this tutorial. This method of setting a wing works...as do a few other methods.

It's not my intent to hijack this thread but I do have a word of advice before you start on this slippery slope. Just piggybacking.............

I suggest you become adept at setting a slip wing before you spend the time or money on the married wings.

A slip wing is 2 mirrored slips "sections" of the same exact winging material applied in much the same way that Eunan described. I suggest working with natural turkey matched tail wings or perfect center tail wings. Your well informed feather merchant will know exactly what I'm talking about. Try working with slips that are between 12 and 24 barbules in width. Goose will do but is a bit more fussy.

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Eunan & Dave......thanks for sharing great tip for us !!!!


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This is a great tutorial for one of the several methods that can be used to tie in married and strip wings. Eunan deserves a big thank you for doing it.

I agree with Dave on his thoughts regarding learning to tie in strip feather wings: Start with simple one feather strip wings (flies like the Wasp Series for instance) until you get the technique and thread control down for tying them in, then move on to married wings after it become second nature to tie the strip wings in. The reason I recommend doing the simple strip wings first is because you are going to have wings "blow up" on you, not sit right and have to be unwrapped and tied-in again (which means you are going to end up with some wings that will have to be tossed out), and move when you are cutting the butts off until you get that down as well. Using simple strip wings will not cause nearly the same level of frustration, anxiety, or anger that a married wing will when it come apart or doesn't sit right simply because of the extra time (and expense for the feathers) it takes to cut and marry a married wing's fibers.

I also concur with Dave regarding turkey tail instead of goose to do this.

There are a lot of simple strip wing classics, all of which look very good when finished, one can use to do this.
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