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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 02-23-2013, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
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Married Wing--Second Attempt

I wasn't going to post this one, but I would really appreciate a good critique. Again, this is my second attempt and I'm discovering my technique will need a lot of work. Thanks for taking a look and giving your opinion.

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Well.....first of all. WOW!

Very cool fly and very very well tied.

If you wanted a critique, and I was to be overly picky / critical, I would say the following. The underwing is a touch long IMO, and so slightly is the main wing. But we're talking mm here, nothing more. The main wing looks like the top has slips have moved forward during tie in. To combat this, try building your wing with a slight angle from the bottom out wards so that when you tie them in, and the top slips travel forward, you still have a bit of an angle.

But like I said, seriously seriously good work, and incredible colors in the wing.

What hook is that?

Keep em coming,

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Scott thanks for the pointers! I tied this fly on a McNeese size 1. I put a "kink" in the stem of the underwing to get a lower wingset, but when I tied the overwing in the underwing was compressed and lengthened.

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Very nice fly Tony, that looks better than my third or fourth attempt
I have that problem with the collapsing underwing, and not sure what the solution is, other than trying to slim the body a bit at the front to minimize the step, or more careful wing mounting, perhaps someone else can enlighten us.
It is kinda fun, isn't it ?
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McNeese hooks. Copy that. I'll need to pick some up, what a great bend to it.

I think we need to organize a married wing fly swap. There are enough people tying them these days.

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Really nice lighting in the photos as well...........
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Briliant fly!
I love the hackle tip wing!
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You can check off developing the tip/tag. That is some of the finest floss work I have seen. Well done.

Just to comment on "style". This hook seems to lend itself to a low sleek look. If the tail had been lower the overall appearance would have changed dramatically. This is easily accomplished. When you flatten the rachis bend the tail down. Press on the outside of the curve with your thumbnail, not to hard, the tail will lay down even more. It will also cause the tail to cascade. You want the tail to appear as if it is growing out of the shank of the hook.

Scott has already mentioned the underwing/wing. This will change as you develop your "touch". What might help in the near term is once you add a material check what is behind and fix that which has shifted. Primp if you will. Fussing with the fly is part of the process.

Again a truly remarkable advance in your skills. I still can't get over the body.

Keep at it.

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You're killing me Tony! Keep em coming. Fantastic progression
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Tony:

For some tyers it's simply not enough that we receive accolades from others. We know in our heart of hearts that although it's a sweet lookin fly, it falls far short of the vision we had in mind when we started. Acheiving our personal objectives becomes just that...personal. If that's your case, I'm in your corner and fully understand your concerns cuz, while the fly is indeed "sweet" it might benefit with some tweaking here and there,

My first impression was that you've got a relationship with the hook. Not too much different than the clothes a skinny or big guy chooses to wear. I say that understanding that many men do not give a sh*t. And it sometimes shows in the flys they dress

The body is tapered and elegant and moves to establish a weight forward momentum. Your start point for the tip/tag is about as advanced as i would have chosen but still surely in the window of good proportion. Surberb floss/tinsel work from my view..

All in all I think Scott and Jim addressed your winging issues. Although I think your underwing might be a bit too wide.

Given all the terrific stuff that is evident in this dressing, I suspect that you're a natural Tony, not necessarilly a complement until you take it to the next level

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Lovely steelie colors! And it has a great transparent hue to it. I'd be ready for a good tug with that one!
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Tony:
Gorgeous fly, nuf said!! Can't go wrong with this one, steelhead are going to eat it.

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Tony,
First off, I got your email, but I wanted to congratulate you here. To echo everyone else, a remarkable fly and all the more so since it is your second married wing. As Dave commented, you are ahead of the game and your personal goals for a fly build will define your satisfaction.

I can sense the inspiration flowing in your fly, the proportions and personal style will develop with experience...along with the intricacies of working with different materials. In short, an already wonderful fly that will only progress to even better builds.

Don't be afraid to readjust the wing and to practice with the thread tension in relation to fiber slippage. If it's meant to stay married, it'll stay married.

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Gentlemen,
Thank you so much for the words of encouragement and pointers to help make the 3rd attempt an improvement. I think I will tie the same fly so the building blocks are not wasted.

Dave,
I hear what you are saying and hope to take my tying to the next level. I often refer to your flies for inspiration and guidance. This style of tying is so new to me that I question my ability to achieve that next level, I'm hopeful that my desire for perfection will overcome the moments of doubt.

Take care,

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Thanks Adrian! Your tying demo got me all jazzed up to tie a box of married wings for the season. We will see where this road takes my tying. It's so cool to be so excited about a hobby that I've been for so long. Always something new to learn!

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