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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 04:48 PM Thread Starter
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SBS of the claret palmer

For anyone interested, here's a sbs for the Claret Palmer.

Claret Palmer : Kelson (Hardy bros.)
Tag : Silver twist and dark blue silk
Tail : A topping and indian crow
Butt : Black herl
Body : Light red-claret silk
Ribs : Silver tinsel (oval)
Hackle : Blue, from second turn
Throat : Jay
Wings : Tippet strands, dark Turkey, Bustard, Golden Pheasant tail ; married strips of Swan dyed yellow, red, and blue ; and two
strips of Mallard above
Head : Black herl

Started out with a rudimentary sketch of the fly. I'm obviously no artist, but this got me thinking about the proportions I wanted to see. In the end, I didn't quite match my sketch, but it was still a useful exercise.

Tied in gut loop for the eye and started to build an underbody. A careful eye will see that it isn't very smooth. After this pic I unwrapped & re-did much of it, spending more time flattening my thread to get a smoother body.

Next a tip & tag over a slight tapered of underbody thread. (Before burnishing).

Tail, veil, butt & tinsel tie in. Made the crow sub from a pheasant I shot last fall.

Down & back floss, tinsel wrap & body hackle. Wish I had a longer feather so I could have done 1 more wrap on the body hackle.

Jay throat & tippet underwing. Never worked with Jay before. A bit tough to split, but I like the looks of it. Pattern calls for "tippet in strands" but I used this method. Still need to master the "strands" technique.

My 1st crack at the wing tie in turned out to be a little long, so I decided (after much deliberation), to pull them off & try again. Here are the wings after taking them off. The top one has been steamed, the bottom hasn't. Steaming the wings really brought them back to life.

Here's the new wing tie-in. Still has a little forward slippage of the top blue strand, but it was the best I could do.

Next came the roof. Got it in place with only 2 tries. Probably a record for me.

The final step was the herl head. Never easy for me, but I was pretty happy with it. Tried a few times before I got it. Using bow string wax helped (& I had it handy for the weekend hunt, which worked out nicely).

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 04:58 PM
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Nice Dan...Great view of how these flies are tied.

Something i just discovered, was wetting the butts of the wing prior to tie in really helps them to compress without folding under eachother.
i measure the wing length, hold it at the right point in my left hand wet the tips with spit, two loose pinch wraps and then slowly release the pinch while compressing the wing with your right hand fore finger.

Works a treat. Maybe you did this, or have some other way. Everyone has their own tricks...

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Great SBS!

You aren't an engineer by trade are you? (just wondering because of all of the precise measurements). I sketch alot of flies before I tie them, but I'm more of a loose, color outside of the lines, type of tier


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Great skill Dan. Thanks for the SBS.

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nice work! I started using a hook template recently - and it has helped with proportions, etc. I am still a complete pleb when it comes to tying, and learn something new here each day. it is inspiring to come here and find all the gems folks tie - and to take them down to my bench and give them a shot. I'm a ways off from hitting big like this one here, but someday...


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Incredible work of art !
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post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-28-2012, 10:23 PM
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Remarkable Dan !!
Awesome work and effort put into this


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Your ties are flawless!!! An amazing process!! Makes me look at tying differently!!!
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The hook template is a really neat idea. I usually eyeball it a lot. Might help me with teaching my kids as they start progressing from the wooly buggers and simple featherwings that they've been tying.

The proportions are one of the hardest things that I've started to teach my 10 year-old son and 8 year-old daughter. Still loads of fun to see them come down and use the spare vise!
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This is phenomenal work. You've reached a level of detail that I would guess very few tyers get to. Thanks for the post.
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good - thank you
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Thank you for the excellent sbs, and very handsome fly. Like the sketch.
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Hi Dan

Amazing SBS Dan.
Tag to head great and floss,wings,taper body hackle,BJ throat great.
Thanks for sharing.

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Unreal, Dan. Pure fantastic!

one man standing ovation from over here,

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