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Weekend Intruder SBS

As I was putting this SBS together I started to think about when I first met Ed and his Intruder, Here is a link to the first Intruder I posted back in back in 2008. http://speypages.com/speyclave/showt...intruder+marty
I have added it so you can see how easy it is to get off track when it comes to fly construction. I look at that fly/sbs and just laugh. I used all the right materials and placement was correct but I did not understand the purpose behind its construction or should I say engineering. The fly looks flat to me now.

As for my defense of the integrity of the Intruder in past post, I was not completely wrong but Ed did correct me as to what materials can be used. He explained you can use virtually any type of material to build an Intruder including marabou. He did say there is a disconnect when it comes to the use of Intruder as a category to classify different flies and added there is not much we can do about that now. He went on to say for a fly to be classified as an Intruder it must follow the basic design of stations and propping of material. He also added the part about being engineered with the explanation its more than just wrapping a bunch of material on a hook. Basically the goal in tying an Intruder is to produce a strong profile with minimal material for a better sink rate and better casting.


In this thread http://speypages.com/speyclave/showt...intruder+marty I make the statement "Ed’s Intruder, I call it that because he was the “one” that developed the pattern”. It’s kind of true but Ed gives credit to Jerry French and Scot Howell for parts of the Intruders development. I also said anything that varies from the original in a variation. I still stand by this comment but then Eds intruder that he tied for me has some modifications. His fly, he can do that… As for the fly in this thread it sucks as well. Good thing I did not tie up a whole bunch of them.

As for the following step by step I can now say its pretty accurate and I am pretty confident this is how an Intruder should be “engineered”. Thanks for looking and good luck with this one.



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Hook: After the tying session I am sold on the shank made from a hook. Needs to be up eyed hook to accommodate the tippet. My HMH Spinner vise holds the shake perfectly. I also have found some flex tubing that I got from HMH that works great for the rear connection.

Rear Section: Deer hair spun as a collar, ostrich herl for feelers and a turkey flat hackled as a collar.

Body: Metallic micro braid with a grizzly hackle palmered from rear to front.

Front Section: Deer hair spun as a collar, Amherst tail in a dubbing loop and an optional collar of turkey flat (this is my little addition)

Head: Two turns of chenille and a dumbbell

The first step is to spin a collar of deer hair at the rear of the shank. The better the collar/prop the better the fly will perform. Don’t overdo it, deer hair floats



Next tie in a clump of ostrich herl on the back side of the shank and a second clump on the front side of the shank.




Secure in a turkey flat and wrap as a hackle. Make sure both the tie in point for the ostrich and the hackle are compressed against the deer hair.



Secure in a length of micro braid and a grizzly hackle. Wrap the braid forward followed by the hackle. The body hackle is optional and only added when looking for a fuller silhouette.



Next spin a second collar of deer hair. This one should be just a bit fuller than the one on the rear section.



Create a dubbing loop and load it with a clump of fibers from an Amherst tail. Working the barbs of the tail feather so they are separated and waxing the loop will help in the spinning process.



Fold all the tail barbs back and wrap as a collar.



Tie in a turkey flat and wrap as a collar.



Secure in a length of chenille and take two wraps as tight to the collar of turkey as possible. Tie on a dumbbell and give it a whip. Use a soft head cement like aqua seal to bind the head. Hard cement will chafe the tippet.

Good tying and better fishing

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Very cool Marty! Thanks for the SBS, I appreciate seeing how others tie their flies. It's always great insight into how patterns are not only put together but also how they evolve from one tier to the other. Everyone puts a bit of themselves into a pattern even when following a "recipe".

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thank you marty,
very nicely engineered.
are they intruders too if you tye them on wads
just wondering
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thank you marty,
very nicely engineered.
are they intruders too if you tye them on wads
just wondering
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sure, I am going to tie some on tubes

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Marty,

Thanks for taking the time in making this very informative SBS. Excellent tie.

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Marty, I've been playing around with black bear instead of deer. So far pleased. Haven't fished one, and put it away 3 or 4 times wet yet, so I don't know if it will have the longevity of deer hair, but I like it.

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Awesome, Marty!! Thank you very much
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Thank you for that SBS Marty


I have done them with deer hair before but my earlier ones were not so slimmed down. Guess i will give the deer a spin again and give the AF a break
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I have done them with deer hair before but my earlier ones were not so slimmed down. Guess i will give the deer a spin again and give the AF a break
Ed tied a marabou using deer and AF. The Af keeps the marabou from slipping through the deer. Think spider web

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thats a wicked red/orange ostrich you have there, and the aqua, are these store bought or dyed by you?

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Can you please post a close up picture of the rear section from the back of the fly?

I'm still a little bit confused with ostrich position. By looking on the picture it seems to be that you have ostrich on the top and on the bottom plus top section is longer

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As far as hooks go, are you riggin it like Howell suggests? Tippet thru the eye , ran along side of the body, and tucked in to junction tubing at the back? IF that is the case,is there an advantage of using the shank versus just tying a tube fly?
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Drumik - i believe (may be wrong) that the back stations Ostrich is tied on each side of the shank, I know its a funny angle in the pic to tell.


I rather tye them on shanks or tubes because i dont like running my tippet along the fly, tried a couple first ones that way and found some material got tangled/tied around the tippet because of the currents in the river
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As far as hooks go, are you riggin it like Howell suggests? Tippet thru the eye , ran along side of the body, and tucked in to junction tubing at the back? IF that is the case,is there an advantage of using the shank versus just tying a tube fly?
I have been tying this kind of stuff on tubes, I am goin to give the tippet through the eye thing a try. Time will tell.

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Can you please post a close up picture of the rear section from the back of the fly?

I'm still a little bit confused with ostrich position. By looking on the picture it seems to be that you have ostrich on the top and on the bottom plus top section is longer

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On the sides, but not too long. Too long and they start to wrap around the hook

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thats a wicked red/orange ostrich you have there, and the aqua, are these store bought or dyed by you?
Store bought and barred with a marker.

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Marty, I've been playing around with black bear instead of deer. So far pleased. Haven't fished one, and put it away 3 or 4 times wet yet, so I don't know if it will have the longevity of deer hair, but I like it.
I have just a small patch of Black Bear, I can see how it might just work but don't hae the heart to cover it up on an Intruder. Using BB on most of my summer flies now.

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Drumik - i believe (may be wrong) that the back stations Ostrich is tied on each side of the shank, I know its a funny angle in the pic to tell.


I rather tye them on shanks or tubes because I Don’t like running my tippet along the fly, tried a couple first ones that way and found some material got tangled/tied around the tippet because of the currents in the river
The ostrich is tied in on the sides as for the material getting wrapped up in the tippet, I would think a tube would be better, I am not a shank fan. I have had more problems with the trailer tying up material than flies tied the same on a tube. But then if you tie the Intruder with a proper rear station nothing should even get close to the hook.

Here is a shot of the rear of the pink Intruder. I have been playing/testing them in the tub so the ostrich is stuck together. As you can see the ostrich is tied in on the sides.



It’s kind of funny how I was introduced to the Intruder back in the 90s and never got excited about them. I played with it a little bit back them but never saw a need for this style of fly. I still would rather tie and fish the classics but working up a few Intruder has been fun and a little change keeps things fresh.

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