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SkagitMaster 2 weight system

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#1 ·
After watching skagit master 2, i was really stoked about the worm weight section. i notice scott howell had worm weights hanging from some mono, and i thought of a quick system to keep with together, easy access and can be clipped anywhere.
Items needed:
10-20lb bite/leader wire material(i used 20lb just for the fact i have a lot of it around and more strength to last longer)
Wire Cutter
Desired worm weights
Carabiner
First cut desired length of bite/leader wire material with wire cutter, fold in half, then make an over hand knot with the tag ends, this will help with that wire cutter to synch down nice and tight. Then pinch the wire and feed from the bottom of worm weight slide down and add desired amount of worm weights. Then the folded end loop will go onto the carabiner(as you can tell from the photo).
Thats it!
 

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#12 ·
brand weights

these are just a bunch of weights that i thought would be ideal for this application, no real clue of all the brands, these were sitting in my dusty hardware tackle boxes for carolina/texas rigs haha.
Yah no one needs to get ban... remember its just fishing.
 
#5 ·
Forgive my ignorance

Erik and others, please forgive my ignorance. I've not yet seen SM2. Are those sets of four different sized bullet heads for sinking your fly with/without sink tips? Quick change of fly, put the cone head on the tippet and retie on a fly, sort of like a sliding worm rig (carolina rig if I remember correctly)? Is this fished on a long leader and floating line or with a tip?
 
#6 ·
All of the above + sinktips. Howell uses them to get deep fast on the NU. Variable weight availability on the same fly for different circumstances, long leader application without a sinktip. Not my cup of tea (for steelies) but when we're talking 10-15' basalt ledge 'getdown' ... I have a few bulltrout spots that this is absolutely ideal for.
 
#8 ·
Yup....and would you call that fly fishing???? Not in my books or in my regulations. I am sorry, I am all for fishing and having fun, but in my opinion that is not fly fishing and you might as well take out your centerpin and have a real go at things with it. In fact you are less likely to cause yourself serious injury using a centerpin that lobbing one of those off your speyrod. Imagine a line collision with a worm weight....good bye rod tip. :hihi::hihi::hihi:
 
#9 ·
WOW much better than splitshot for sure:saeek: Man some people will do anything to get a fish (like lowhole), I am with Paul on this one.
Ok Bassmasters lets hear the hate!
 
#14 ·
Paul, Bruce et al, just out of curiousity, how is this any different than using lead eyes except for the fact they are heavier and detachable? The function served is exactly the same. Just because the weight itself is coined in a bait fishing terminology doesn't make it any less functional as a spey/fly tool. I can see the connotation, but in function, they serve the exact same purpose as lead dumbbell eyes, except detachable. If detachable is the problem....what about tube flies? Interesting discussion on BC 'fly fishing only' waters for sure. By definition it does not meet the regulation....but by intent...

For me, the point is that I want to catch bull trout on the flyrod. When they are sunk at the bottom of a 15' hole, the only way to get at them is with a spoon or jig or adding split shot in front of the fly like everyone currently does (which I abhor and will not bring myself to do). I never even considered worm weights, as it's not a product that crosses my radar as a fly only guy. But the functionality of them allows me to sink a fly pretty much as deep as I want and keep it there, giving me a shot at that fish. Would you rather have me fish a spoon with a 2/0 siwash and brain the po' bastich?

Interesting concept...
 
#16 ·
Paul, Bruce et al, just out of curiousity, how is this any different than using lead eyes except for the fact they are heavier and detachable? T

For me, the point is that I want to catch bull trout on the flyrod. When they are sunk at the bottom of a 15' hole, the only way to get at them is with a spoon or jig or adding split shot in front of the fly like everyone currently does (which I abhor and will not bring myself to do).

PGK.....I think you just answered your own question with the last bit of the quote in brackets. It is a personal thing and I will leave it at that. We all have boundaries that we will not cross, and for me that is one of them....as split shot on a leader is for you.
It would be my preference to simply take out a centerpin and fish that way than to slide an 1/8 ounce of lead and slide it down the tippet. No disrespect to anyone here, just stating that in " my opinion" a worm weight in front of a cast fly off a spey rod is a step over that boundary for me, and that is all. My opinion; nothing more nothing less.
 
#19 ·
Put critical thought into each terminal gear choice and determine if what you are doing is helping a little too much. Or what your motives are (I need to catch a fish, I want to catch a fish, I want to catch a fish under my terms...etc). If your choices are to make your outcomes easier with no change in your angling skill, is it still within the spirit of fly fishing? Maybe that matters. Maybe it doesn't. Some guys like more challenge. Others may not. To each their own. As long as you are being legal have fun.
 
#25 ·
is it still within the spirit of fly fishing?
The spirit of fly fishing died. It was a graphite stake through the heart that killed it. Unless you're swinging greenheart and horsehair lines it's only a matter of degrees. When swinging my horsehair, I like to give the silk line boys grief by taunting them that when I lay my line out on the grass to dry, at least the grasshoppers won't devour it!
 
#20 ·
I would also like to know the answer ...

& that is:

IF it is acceptable to fly fish, on 'fly only' waters with, say, an 'intruder' which has metal dumbbell eyes (that's how this "fly" was designed, was it not??), why is it SO different to add a conehead to the front of a previously unweighted tube fly?? :rolleyes:

Mike
 
#24 ·
why is it SO different to add a conehead to the front of a previously unweighted tube fly?
When the conehead becomes SO BIG that you are no longer casting a fly line, your life flashes before you, you feel woozy, you're drunk with power, seducing women, killing, no slashing fish, breaking distance recorddds, and suddenly, suddenly, a moment of clarity and you're ON ACABLE TV URBAN FISHING SHOW.

Git er done.

Just remember to clear any seaweed and bycatch offa yore line fore ya next caist.
 
#23 ·
But you ARE allowed to use hooks, right??

Are there any regs on the max. hook size, OR indeed, the gauge of wire used in those hooks???

Mike
 
#22 ·
Fly fishing as a tool box

I am not trying to stir the pot too much here. i just would like to make the statement of fly fishing. I have not touched hardware in YEARS now, it has been my "choice" to not, yet with anything with fishing i always look as it like a job site. you have tools, a tool box. You want to use any tool that can get the job done in my option, everyone may have there personal option on what tools are 'right' or 'wrong,' like for instance i know how effective that nymphing with Xlegs and a trailing egg pattern or soft hackle can work in the terms of midwest steelhead fishing; personally i choose not utilize this tool, only by choice. so maybe some of you will agree with me and maybe some will not which is fine; lets then just enjoy that fact that we all can celebrate something so special in the outdoors.
 
#26 ·
The spirit of fly fishing should be in the angler's heart not in the tackle he uses.
 
#31 ·
When I take a fly rod in hand my joy comes from knowing I am using a traditional method to cast a fly to a highly difficult fish to catch. I was told once, early 80s, that steelhead would not take a fly and that the only way I could lure one was to tip my fly with a worm. This was and still is a very common practice on the river I call my home water. I am a purest by definition and would never alter the art of fly fishing to give me the advantage. Fly fishing is not just a form of angling to me, it is a life style. Yes the tools have changed but the method has not. Fly casting is just that, casting a fly. I watched nymphing for trout metamorphosis from full sinking lines to sink tips to dry lines with split shot and an indicator. I bought into it transformation and defended the change with vigor. Now thirty years later I have recognized my nymphing rig was just a glorified bait system that incorporated the use of a bobber to indicate the strike and weights to get the bait down to the fish. I changed the art of fly casting to give me the advantage. I still nymph for trout but prefer to fly fish for them using traditional methods. I have seen this same type of transformation in the pursuit of steelhead. When fishing for steelhead, I use traditional fly casting to present the fly. I will use a sinking line but never add weight to the fly with the exception of bead chain eye. (I caught my first steelhead on a Comet). I fish the swing and only the swing. Why because it brings me joy. Now if you want to fish worms on your “spey” rod or use a bobber to indicate strikes, more power. Everyone has the right to purse this magnificent fish in a manner that brings them joy, as long as it is legal. To each there own. If you want to call back bouncing a stonefly nymphing under an indicator fly fishing, go right ahead without fear of being arrested for improper use of fly equipment. Call it you hobby, your sport or even your life style, it is what ever you want to make of it. Just be prepared to defend yourself when you try to change the face of fly fishing. There is just too much tradition protecting this great art.
 
#35 ·
I will use a sinking line but never add weight to the fly with the exception of bead chain eye. (I caught my first steelhead on a Comet). .
I take that back, I use copper tubes every now and then, but draw the line at that, well, I have added a cone before, but that is it, well, I did fish a nymph once, but only once. oh heck, call the cops
 
#32 ·
Weighted flies can be used on the NU in the fly water from October to the end of June. That being said the weight must be PART of the fly. The cone heads would not be legal in the fly water and would be considered "attached weight"
 
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