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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-04-2020, 07:50 PM Thread Starter
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Tying trout flies is something I haven't done in a quite a while, so to transition back into them I decided on a true classic. Herbie Welch created this fly, and it's become one of the most well known New England style streamers. It works, too. I've caught some of my best brook trout on this fly, and a good number of landlocked salar. Being stuck in the Northeast isn't so bad, it's been nice to get out on the waters I learned how to fish on.

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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-04-2020, 09:54 PM
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Nicely done!

I've been tying classic feather winged streamers since I was a kid and haven't tied that pattern so elegantly as what you are displaying.

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Very nicely dressed. Congrats. This was one of my fathers favorite flies for Atlantic salmon on the Miramichi, Renous, St John, and the Tobique River. The fly was popular throughout New Brunswick in the 1950s and 60s but now has been eclipsed by the Green Machine and other Buck Bugs. The black, white and yellow contrasting colours make it a favorite of mine for darker afternoons and the twilight bite.
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Very neat tying, profile is picture perfect
I must caution you on the length of the wing, it will entice short takes. Being a streamer fly, I would bring back the wing to the end of the tail (max. length). If it would be tied as a salmon/steelhead fly, I would bring back the wing to just past the bend of the hook.
Never the less, excellent tying skills


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thats a beauty, never tried these styles but find them attractive, to bad that the brook trout in my part of the world are about as big as these flies, hope to fish for the big eastern ones one day, cameron
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Nicely done!

I've been tying classic feather winged streamers since I was a kid and haven't tied that pattern so elegantly as what you are displaying.

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Wow Ard, coming from you that means quite a lot. Thank you. Side note: I guide up by Skwentna on Lake Creek, if it's safe by the time the season rolls around let me know if you want to fish.

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Very neat tying, profile is picture perfect
I must caution you on the length of the wing, it will entice short takes. Being a streamer fly, I would bring back the wing to the end of the tail (max. length). If it would be tied as a salmon/steelhead fly, I would bring back the wing to just past the bend of the hook.
Never the less, excellent tying skills


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Per usual Mike, your compliments are much appreciated. The wing is definitely a touch long on this one, but believe it or not the classic New England style stuff has these extended wings. I've personally never had much of an issue with short strikes on them. Brookies aren't exactly the most timid fish Thanks for the advice though!

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thats a beauty, never tried these styles but find them attractive, to bad that the brook trout in my part of the world are about as big as these flies, hope to fish for the big eastern ones one day, cameron
Thanks Cameron! There's always been a mystique for me about these flies, there's just something about them. If you're ever out east to chase the brookies, let me know and I'll be happy to provide some intel.

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Wow Ard, coming from you that means quite a lot. Thank you. Side note: I guide up by Skwentna on Lake Creek, if it's safe by the time the season rolls around let me know if you want to fish.
Aw geez, there are a lot of great tiers here for sure. I just commented because of my long familiarity with the feather wing flies but thanks a bunch

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lovely fly and super tying!

Just wondering about the long streamer hooks - do you ever have issues with the hooks levering out, in particular on Altantic salmon? Here in Ireland a number of our rivers have gone compulsory C&R and single hooks only. We have noticed that long singles can lever and so a lot of guys now favour a short shank hook with a wide gape for this reason - interested to hear your thoughts as you guys have been using singles a lot longer
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Nicely done. I tie that weighted and not as a bucktail, sans J cock, for Montana trout on single- and double-hand rods. Takes me back to my roots in New England.
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Easky, you are absolutely correct - long-shanked hooks increase the leverage a fish is able to exert against the point, meaning they can more easily throw a long hook than a short one, and more easily bend them out as well. But here's the deal, it's C&R anyway, so what if a fooled fish beats you? Fish what you like. If you are in need of getting your hands slimy, go with tube flies and short-shanked hooks. Not too many tubes posted here, but they are widely used, with good reason.
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Easky, you are absolutely correct - long-shanked hooks increase the leverage a fish is able to exert against the point, meaning they can more easily throw a long hook than a short one, and more easily bend them out as well. But here's the deal, it's C&R anyway, so what if a fooled fish beats you? Fish what you like. If you are in need of getting your hands slimy, go with tube flies and short-shanked hooks. Not too many tubes posted here, but they are widely used, with good reason.
thanks and true enough Steehead, if its C&R then you have done the hard bit in hooking the fish. However what I found when I started using longer shanked hooks is that not only was the loss rate higher... but from the fish's perspective the levering also did a lot of damage to the fish. I have seen times when it literally leaves a gaping hole in the fishes mouth. To my mind a shorter shanked hook, ideally with a barb, is actually better for the fish in that it means less levering as it generally stays put, so as long as you are more careful when you come to unhooking (which you have more 'control' over) its better for the fish and also for the angler. I have had this 'discussion' with our fishery officers.

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