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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 03-02-2020, 03:38 PM Thread Starter
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Feather wing help

Been seeing some nice looking feather wing flies being posted. Seems like a few guys have been asking about how to get the wing to sit down lower to the body of the fly. While I’m certainly no expert at the art of fly tying I can offer a couple tips that work for me to get the wing where I want it. Hopefully this helps out someone! Some pictures as well.
Step one:Selection of the wing feathers
Personally I think four feathers is the perfect wing. Make sure to select four feathers of similar shape. Size is all up to you. They say the wing shouldn’t go past the bend of the hook but I think this is all up to what u want the fly to look like. Also the width of the feathers is up to you. Do you want a thick wing or a narrow one.
Step 2: bending the feather. Take the two feathers you have selected for one side of ur wing. Take ur bodkin and pinch the two feathers between ur thumb and the bodkin and press down firm. Starting where you would tie the wing in pull straight down with both feathers. This should give your wing a nice curve. Repeat the process with the other set.
Step3: tying the wing in. The way I like to do this is one side at a time. Starting with the side away from me. I like to slightly tent my wings not a lot just a bit. Another way to tie them in is to just line up all four and slide the feather stems into the eye of the hook and tie them down flat together. This works great as well and is probably a bit easier. Once I have my wing sitting how I want it and have tied it down secure I take the stems and fold them back and tie them off. This will also help your wing sit lower and make it less likely to pull the wing out when tying it on your line with cold numb winter hands. Trim the stems back close to the head and finish off your fly however you like. I think that’s about it. I apologize if this is hard to follow if anyone has any questions shoot me a pm and I’ll try and explain in better details. Happy tying fellas!
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great tips, a few added questions, do you prefer neck or saddle?(looks like neck) and if you can't find skin, or are budget minded(wife see's all, LOL) which would you prefer for strung? and do you have a preferred supplier, Cameron
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Cheap, cheap, cheap..nice, nice, nice. FeathersMc.com guys. Cannot beat these for cheap, nice Glasso style wings
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so you like the strung Matt? I am a big fan of John and Terry, much to the chagrin of the way better half, LOL, but i find that the strung is usually mostly one sided, no matter who its from, so its hard to find matching pairs/quads of opposites for winging, cameron
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so you like the strung Matt? I am a big fan of John and Terry, much to the chagrin of the way better half, LOL, but i find that the strung is usually mostly one sided, no matter who its from, so its hard to find matching pairs/quads of opposites for winging, cameron
Hi Cameron. John and Terry are very good friends and neighbors. Ideally, cheap Chinese necks are best for this purpose. Havingsaid that, this strung stuff from John works just fine, and did i mention CHEAP. What i do w most of my Glasso style wings that are less than ideal curvature, is ihit them w a HOT hair dryer. The wings will sit down nicely and youíd never know they came from a pkg of cheap strung hackle. I improvise when needed. These hackles will tie beautiful Glassos, the rest is up to the guy behind the vise.
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great tips, a few added questions, do you prefer neck or saddle?(looks like neck) and if you can't find skin, or are budget minded(wife see's all, LOL) which would you prefer for strung? and do you have a preferred supplier, Cameron
I will use either one. The thing is with bending the feather over the bodkin you can curve the wing to work for you. No matter what side you need it for.
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well i am hair challenged as they say, and the wife keeps her lovely locks short for the kitchen work we do, so no hair dryer in the house, guess i need to invest, LOL, also these questions where not to be meant as an affront to anyone or thing, just questions i have had for the last few years, a lot of people are tight lipped about there hackle they use and availability, thanks Cameron
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No tight lips here Cameron, lifeís too short fer that kinda stuff. I get almost all my stuff from John. Another thing to consider, much of what John has isnít listed on his sight. A simple phone call is the best way to go aboot things. If you saw his basement you would be dumbfounded. Give him a call and let him know what youíre after. Hope iíve been helpful
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No tight lips here Cameron, lifeís too short fer that kinda stuff. I get almost all my stuff from John. Another thing to consider, much of what John has isnít listed on his sight. A simple phone call is the best way to go aboot things. If you saw his basement you would be dumbfounded. Give him a call and let him know what youíre after. Hope iíve been helpful
Matt, is the stuff you have pictured above the "strung domestic grizzly saddle"? He has that listed on his website for $5. Thanks,

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I echo all of the suggestions and will add a few others I've picked up on. I use either Metz Magnum #2 neck or strung saddle feathers. The strung saddle is the cheaper option for sure. I'm not super picky...but I like a feather with a nice overall taper, width and density of the individual fibers.

I'll use either one or two pairs of feathers...with naturally opposing curves (from opposite sides). I try to gently shape them additionally to get them to curve evenly. Either lightly with my fingernail or bodkin.

I'll mount the 1x or 2x pairs all together generally. I opt for the knife edge vs slightly tented look....it all depends on the day of the week or mood I'm in. I can say that I will work and work on them to combat any excessive curvature or curls. If necessary I'll simply steam those that are badly distorted or put them in the scrap box for another day.

With the feathers stacked together... I will bend the cleared off stems into a Z shape (the first bend right at where the barbs end) and slide them through the eye of the hook. You must keep the tips pinched together and not let go during this step or they'll be flared out in all directions when you tie them all in.

The tie in point I try to insure doesn't have a big step where I stopped the throat hackle. A couple turns of thread with generous amounts of Overton's Wonderwax help to keep the stems from rolling on you. Wrap progressively tighter with your wraps as you move toward the eye of the hook. Too tight of a first wrap will cause them to pop straight up.

With a couple wraps of thread in place...pull the stems slowly into position (while still holding all of the tips together with your other hand). A couple more thread wraps with more wax to insure they don't move on you. Poke stems back through the eye, pull back and trim. A dab of superglue to lock everything into place.

And the final step......a blast with a hair dryer for the final look. This step helps alot for me to get them riding low. But it's not an alternative to all of the other tips...they all kinda work together.

This is the process Marty outlines in many of his SBS tutorials and it's been what I follow. The first couple can be a little tricky.....but will come along with each one you tie.
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Matt, is the stuff you have pictured above the "strung domestic grizzly saddle"? He has that listed on his website for $5. Thanks,

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I donít think so Nate. Call him. Tell him about what iíve posted here. He has loads of it. Cheers
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Honyuk96,

Can you please provide us with a closeup of one of those packages that you have displayed so that we know what to ask for when chatting with FeathersMC?

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Can you please provide us with a closeup of one of those packages that you have displayed so that we know what to ask for when chatting with FeathersMC?

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I will tomorrow, sure. I can also guarantee if you point John to this thread, he will know exactly what we are talking about. I also have a bunch of white, color dyed feathers i also got from him. Iíve been very in active here as iíve been so busy w work but tomorrow i will add to this thread..cheers
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Great Thread....
Setting hackle tips on Feather Wing "spey" flies always seems to be a challenge, and the tutorial provided by Nickels should be of great help to tiers having trouble with this.

I noticed this sentence in a follow up post further down from flytie09.... I think it's incredibly important as well:
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The tie in point I try to insure doesn't have a big step where I stopped the throat hackle.
This sentence is important as it points out that getting the the wing set to work properly depends upon how the body and hackle of the fly are completed....The importance of this is not often recognized by tiers who are more familiar with contemporary flies.
If there is a "step up" or "ramp" that the feather wings must pass up over, then the wing is going to point straight up and drive the tier nuts! The key to avoiding this problem is by making sure that there is NOT a "shoulder" of dubbing and hackle just behind (and underneath) the wing. This is very different than the way many conventional tube, intruder, etc style flies are tied, where such a shoulder is an important aspect to the design of those flies, and crucial to their action.

When tying the body of a Feather Wing, it is helpful to REDUCE the amount of dubbing used towards the front of the fly. The body shoud be really sparse just behind where the collar will be. Then a duck flank hackle, or guinea hackle, with a relatively THIN stem should be chosen for the collar, so that the stem is not too thick at the tie in point. If the stem is thick, it can create that dreaded "ramp" behind the wing tie in point, and lift the wing.

Duck flank and guinea are fairly stiff and, when hackled at the front of a spey fly, provide a slight "push' in the current that creates enough of a vortex to activate, the wispy body hackles (usually heron, or webby hackle like schlappen). This gives the action to the fly....not a big shoulder like in an intruder.

Thanks for your helpful post Nickels
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