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I see a lot skater and bomber patterns, but does anyone dead drift flies for steelhead? Sometimes you come across a bucket with little to no drift which limits your options. I figure if a nymph or a bead doesn't entice the fish maybe dead drifting a fly would? What's a good hook for such an application?

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Aw, c'mon. It's a game. Too strong, and the fly sinks. Too light and a good fish bends it out. I know some folks use the Gamakatsu F-21 for up-eye flies and F-14 for downeyes. I like a slightly heavier barbless dry fly hook Eagle Claw puts out. I can't find the number for that hook, but the LO59 is the barbed equivalent. On the other hand, I have tied a few on stout hooks for B runs. In short, I don't think there is a single answer.
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It's for sure a game. I tied a few Klamath Skaters on a 2x stout hook thinking they looked pretty slick but they all ended up sinking. I figured I'd go looking for a lighter hook, so I thank you for the info. This will put me in the ballpark.

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"Skaters and Bombers" were actually designed for upstream dead drift techniques. It wasn't until later on that anglers started swinging them downstream.

I have had good success dead drifting flies to steelhead. I like the Gamakatsu s10 dryfly downeye hooks in sizes 4-8. They are sticky sharp, have a wide enough gape, and are light enough for a dead-drift. Now they will bend out occasionally if you lift the fishes head out of the water and let the fish gator roll - but such is the risk one takes with dryfly hooks.


I tie only natural patterns and the s10s have been my go-to for the last 3-4years (If I tied with foam or on tubes, I would use different hooks altogether. As steelhead23 mentioned "it's a game").












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I've had bad luck with bomber hooks in BC with hooks bending out. Going to try the Daiichi 2131 this year.

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Great photos Adrian !!
Do you prefer down eye hooks over up eye for dead drifting dries ??


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Do you prefer down eye hooks over up eye for dead drifting dries ??


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I really like the down-eye hooks, Mike...especially sz 6 with that Garroutte hitch/knot. Though I have noticed that when I go smaller hook (8-10) that down eye hook with the Garroutte hitch does not let the fly ride properly on a dead drift - the hook is just too light with the stiffer maxima tippet. In sizes 8/10 s10s hooks, I will forgo the Garroutte hitch and just grease the fly well for dead drift presentations (I grease the leader as well, but try not to grease the front end of the tippet so as to not draw attention to its surface tension during the dead-drift).


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Great photos Adrian !!
Do you prefer down eye hooks over up eye for dead drifting dries ??


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I really like the down-eye hooks, Mike...especially sz 6 with that Garroutte hitch/knot. Though I have noticed that when I go smaller hook (8-10) that down eye hook with the Garroutte hitch does not let the fly ride properly on a dead drift - the hook is just too light with the stiffer maxima tippet. In sizes 8/10 s10s hooks, I will forgo the Garroutte hitch and just grease the fly well for dead drift presentations (I grease the leader as well, but try not to grease the front end of the tippet so as to not draw attention to its surface tension during the dead-drift).


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Can,t offer anything on hooks but have to say the wraps on that bamboo from Mr Reid are lovely,all those pics are stunningly nice, made my day and thanks. Big fish on small hooks,priceless. Daryl
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Are you still using that no spin knot?
I do! I started employing that knot last summer but wanted to test it on hot fish before I could give it my "seal of approval"

It holds well and I like it because I can tie on a fly without a knot pinching down the hackles.

That knot has a few pluses going for it aside from the above.

Curious: how did you find out about that knot? Did I already post about it on Speypages? (I am quite forgetful)

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Are you still using that no spin knot?
I do! I started employing that knot last summer but wanted to test it on hot fish before I could give it my "seal of approval"

It holds well and I like it because I can tie on a fly without a knot pinching down the hackles.

That knot has a few pluses going for it aside from the above.

Curious: how did you find out about that knot? Did I already post about it on Speypages? (I am quite forgetful)

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It was on either here or IG. I’d guess in fall because that’s when I started to use it.
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I see a lot skater and bomber patterns, but does anyone dead drift flies for steelhead? Sometimes you come across a bucket with little to no drift which limits your options. I figure if a nymph or a bead doesn't entice the fish maybe dead drifting a fly would? What's a good hook for such an application?
You can always put them on a tube and use a much stronger stinger style. I have seen people rig them with intruder wire as well on super short shanks.

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“I have had good success dead drifting flies to steelhead. I like the Gamakatsu s10 dryfly downeye hooks in sizes 4-8. They are sticky sharp, have a wide enough gape, and are light enough for a dead-drift. Now they will bend out occasionally if you lift the fishes head out of the water and let the fish gator roll - but such is the risk one takes with dryfly hooks.


I tie only natural patterns and the s10s have been my go-to for the last 3-4years (If I tied with foam or on tubes, I would use different hooks altogether. As steelhead23 mentioned "it's a game”” - fshnazn


Keep in mind that Adrian has been known to catch dry fly steel out of drainage ditches, sewer drains and 48 oz Slurpees...

Normal humans like myself have only hooked 4 fish in the last 14 months that could have bent a Tiemco 100, so it’s a problem I wish I needed to worry about more.
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