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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-23-2020, 08:18 AM Thread Starter
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Partridge Bartleet CS 10/3

I inherited quite a big lot of these hooks in all sizes from size 7 to 2. I'm starting to attempt tying a green butt spey using white goose shoulder as a tented wing with seals fur body and a silk floss butt. So I was preparing to order some Daiichi hooks when i ran across these in my hook box. My question is to all you spey fly tyers is would this be a good hook to use for such a fly? I can use some 30lb dacron for the eye and dress it with a little sno- seal. I plan to fish these. Thanks, Rob
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They are the worst proportioned hook in my opinion ...
Saying that, I cold forge them and close the gap, then straighten the shank.
It then makes a nice platform for a long, thin profile.
The larger sizes like #3/0 and #2/0 make for nice Eagle and Dee patterns.
I have done the modifications with #2 and #4 sizes and fashioned Don patterns and some traditional steelhead patterns with them that I was happy with.

I prefer not to tie on them without the modifications ... it could be just me, but I'm never satisfied with the stock shape.


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Oh, and I use 20lb Cortland Micron backing for eye loops with no issues. It lays nice and flat along the shank and adds no bulk.
My tippet rarely goes above 12lb, sometimes 15lb for salar.


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I put the blind eye hooks away and just ordered some Gaelic Supreme heavy wire salmon hooks and low water salmon hooks in various sizes. I have some of their blind eye Pryce Tannet hooks in 1/0 so I think their up turn eye hooks will be nice also .
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Here is a comparison photo




The "stock" #3/0 CS10/3 is on top and the re-worked iron with eye loop on bottom.
As you can tell, the re-worked iron is more inviting to tie on and is an excellent platform for long, thin bodies.
In smaller sizes like #2 and #4, traditional wet patterns are as equally at home. The heavier wire really helps a sparse fly sink.


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Do you also bend the shank along with closing the gap? thanks Rob
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The shank must also be bent upwards as the bend is closed.
The above photo is showing the minimum bends. I have added bends on top of this making the shank straight and the bend looking more like a modified Limerick. So far, none of these modifications have effected the integrity of the hook to the best of my knowledge. These modifications were done on a #3/0 and was the platform for an Eagle pattern that I tied and sent to a friend that landed a 16.5kg salar on the Tummel last September. So that was a pretty good indication the modifications are solid.


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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-28-2020, 02:27 PM
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Hi Mike...This is very interesting. I'm just starting with blind eye hooks and have the Daiichi 2091s...I've read on here that there may be some problems with these hooks. I'm reluctant to tie anything on them as I want to fish these flies...I've heard about clipping the eyes off hooks to use as a blind eye hooks...wondering what you'd suggest or recommend...


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A few of us have had issues with the 2091's. I was a big fan of them up until the breakages started happening. Very random breaks and not really in the same spot on the hook, so it ruled out pinching barbs. When a shank snaps in half (middle of body), something is wrong. I know that some members here have never had any issues and maybe it was a batch of hooks that missed QA/QC, not sure. I haven't used them since, so I don't know if the breakages still occur. I know there were other members here that it happened to as well.

I do cut off eye loops once and a while, for different purposes. It can be don. Some will argue, why cut off a perfectly good eye loop ... I say just because



This Iron had a perfectly good eye loop, but it was the look I was after. I was going for a more vintage look, though the fly was a variation of a more modern day pattern.


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