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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 08:14 PM Thread Starter
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How do I get this wing to lay lower? Using turkey tail (maybe that's the problem?)
I've walked away from it for now lol.
Any tips would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 09:16 PM
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I'd go back a step or two....When you finish the orange body hackle, stop with the last turn around the body - don't make any turns for a collar. It's also good if you can space it so that you tie off the body hackle on the underside of the shank as you complete the last turn. Next, take only a turn or two of the blue hackle, keeping the collar sparse. You don't want to create a bulge of material that's going to prop up the wing. Finally, before tying the wing in, pinch the butts of the turkey just a frog's hair ahead of your tie in point with one hand and pinch the other hand a bit behind the tie in point. Bring your hands together, forcing the butts down perpendicular to the rest of the wing, making a 90 degree angle with the vertex at or just ever so slightly behind the tie in point. This will "hump" the wing, and start to "train" the fibers to lie down closer to parallel to the hook. Tie in the wing using the soft loop technique. One you have it firmly in place, pinch the tie in point HARD with your right/dominant hand, the wing fibers with the left/off hand, and push the wing forward firmly but gently with the left/off hand.

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post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 09:45 PM
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I think that looks great! Fish it and it will sit down!
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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 11:25 PM
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You first want to make sure that the base you're tying the wing on is as level and flat as possible. Any bump or step or angle from the base to the collar is going to force your turkey wing up. I see a bit of fluffy barbs on the guinea collar, which means you're getting towards the thick part of the stem. Take off a couple turns, or find another feather with smaller stem. You may also want to preen down the hackles and remove some of the barbs on the top to reduce the bulk underneath the wing. Your wing also looks small compared to the size of the hook and gap. Try another wing with more fibers. While it won't help the wing set lower, it will reduce the gap between shank and wing.

I think your big problem is not holding the wing tightly enough while doing your wraps. As you slowly compress the wing and the "hump" starts to form, the wing fibers will start to slide past one another to compensate for the increased distance across the top of the wing as compared to the bottom of the wing. This sliding should all be coming from the butt ends of the fiber, never from the tips. As Aldo mentioned, you can offset some of this sliding by curving the wing before tying in, and also preening the butts upwards to create a valley where your tie in point is. It takes some practice to get just right, but pinch HARD and don't ever let go until you're absolutely sure the wing is secure.
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post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-22-2020, 08:02 AM
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Aldo mentioned some good techniques here and will help you achieve the look you want

But Mr. Nickels has it right ... take it fishing and it will behave nicely !!

I would fish it as is


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post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-23-2020, 03:59 PM
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Guinea feathers tend to have a heavy rachis. A less bulky approach to collars is to strip a bunch of fibers off the rachis and tie in underneath, as a collar. But really, I agree with Mike and Nickels - in a decent flow, those wings will lie close to the body. You're halfway through tying a nice T&L, go ahead and finish it. I think you will be happy with the result.
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post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-25-2020, 04:01 PM
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Some things that you could try:

Part the collar at top making space for the wing mounted on knife-edge. Not saying to bind the collar to the underside - but you can do that too.

After securing the wing with a wrap or two of thread as I the pic... pull each slip down along-side the hook shank. Each slip on its corresponding side obviously. Clip and finish-of.

Or just flip the wing over so that the near side will be opposite. You'll use the feather natural curvature to lay it down further.

The wing does look good the way it is though.
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-25-2020, 05:41 PM
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I'd finish that fly and put it in the water. It will hunt!

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