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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 07-27-2019, 09:25 PM Thread Starter
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bombers..

i have tied a box of these last week, orange with squirrel tail, black and yellow, naturals etc.....I was planning on skating um later this summer but thought i'd see how they fished? I had one last week that seemed to do well but the others i tried sank after 4 or 5 casts...

These are pretty decent sized bombers and i was quite disappointed as after 5 casts it sank as well.....I am going to rework my two dry fly boxes with foam it seems.....

if you can make it out in my pic this is even a smaller version

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post #2 of 31 (permalink) Old 07-28-2019, 12:36 AM
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I have a box full of similar bombers.
I drenched all mine with scotchguard and am hoping they stay up for a while.
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Tie a few on a tube....they will be lighter and stay up.

I fish mouse patterns tied on a tube and they don't sink.
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Hmmmmm....Maybe the squirrel weighs it down? Try polar bear or buck tail maybe? Help keep it on top. Also try a turle knot may help....
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I have hundreds of bombers that I used on the Miramichi when I was a guest at a camp there for many years. I learned to tie bombers from the head guide. He packed his deerhair incredibly tight and used deer hair from the untanned hide that he had. Natural brown body, white calftail tails or natural deerhair tails. Also...on the edge of the woodstove at all times was a can of floatant that was kept warm. We would fill little Nalgene jars and keep it with us as we were fishing. We would dip our bombers in this mixture several times during the day. The mixture was...shaved parafin wax mixed with diesel fuel from the generator...more wax than diesel, if you let it cool it would solidify so we kept our floatant jars in our pockets. Our bombers would literally bounce on the water when cast...probably not too environmentally sound but that was what was done. I used to trade classic salmon flies for bombers and dries that he tied as that was what we mainly used there...so I now have a great collection of his amazing bombers and other dries.
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I have hundreds of bombers that I used on the Miramichi when I was a guest at a camp there for many years. I learned to tie bombers from the head guide. He packed his deerhair incredibly tight and used deer hair from the untanned hide that he had. Natural brown body, white calftail tails or natural deerhair tails. Also...on the edge of the woodstove at all times was a can of floatant that was kept warm. We would fill little Nalgene jars and keep it with us as we were fishing. We would dip our bombers in this mixture several times during the day. The mixture was...shaved parafin wax mixed with diesel fuel from the generator...more wax than diesel, if you let it cool it would solidify so we kept our floatant jars in our pockets. Our bombers would literally bounce on the water when cast...probably not too environmentally sound but that was what was done. I used to trade classic salmon flies for bombers and dries that he tied as that was what we mainly used there...so I now have a great collection of his amazing bombers and other dries.
That's what i have been wondering...always used floatant in my single hander days and will have to dig around for where i've put those bottles..I will admit i do try and pack um tight but could do better .... Foam is so easy i've been using it for awhile now...but i'll give the juice a shot and see if i can save these..

Nickels, i've used squirrel as it was in one of the tutorials i read from Hazel...I also have tied it with calfs tail, polar and a synthetic .....I am not as much of a dry fly fisherman as i could or should be...I tend to veer more towards riffle hitched lemire caddis patterns etc. then i tied with foam and that pretty much took over my box....This year i've been enjoying going back to the skaters, wakers, whatever you choose to call them...Don't seem to catch anything anyways but it's a lot more fun watching um dance around then my wet flies...
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I don't think you said whether you are riffle hitching these or not? My experience of a lot of years fishing bombers up in BC has been that they float and move just fine if you riffle hitch them just behind the post. And it's worked out that at least for me to use two riffle hitches, one to right and one to left and then pull straight down on them and tighten it up and this way the fly is being pulled from the bottom front. Been tying them a little smaller as I have learned from Darren Wright (Babine Guide and now owns Steelhead House with Missy McDonald).
Some of my Green Butt Bombers are shown on a page in Swing the Fly this issue. You can see they are pretty long but they stayed up fine with that riffle hitch.
Hey good luck......Bombers are so cool to hook a fish on!!!
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I like the colours on that Bomber Paul !!!
I tie:

- Green body with a brown or orange hackle and white wing for Salmon out east.
- Black body, brown hackle, a moose tail and white calf wing for steelhead here in the GL's (yeah, crazy stuff I know, GL's fish ??).

I fish the Bomber dead drift mostly, I find it really cumbersome for skating and goes under easily as well if I try to wake it or skate it.
I like light, heavy hackled flies for skating, like a Whiskey Jack, Rat Faced Mcdougal or an Irresistible.

Mucilin dressing is what I usually rely on as a dressing. Gink is okay. I have a bottle of Loon Aquel that I haven't tried yet. Good ole' fashion hair spray works too !!


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I have hundreds of bombers that I used on the Miramichi when I was a guest at a camp there for many years. I learned to tie bombers from the head guide. He packed his deerhair incredibly tight and used deer hair from the untanned hide that he had. Natural brown body, white calftail tails or natural deerhair tails. Also...on the edge of the woodstove at all times was a can of floatant that was kept warm. We would fill little Nalgene jars and keep it with us as we were fishing. We would dip our bombers in this mixture several times during the day. The mixture was...shaved parafin wax mixed with diesel fuel from the generator...more wax than diesel, if you let it cool it would solidify so we kept our floatant jars in our pockets. Our bombers would literally bounce on the water when cast...probably not too environmentally sound but that was what was done. I used to trade classic salmon flies for bombers and dries that he tied as that was what we mainly used there...so I now have a great collection of his amazing bombers and other dries.
I use ,almost exclusively the parrafin wax mixture ,however the small amount of shaved paraffin is mixed in white Napfa
My bomber are LOOSELY packed as they tend to float better IMHO and are better fish getters . Just look at Bryant Freeman's great Carter Bugs
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"Too tight a pack results in too heavy a fly, and a non producing fly. "

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I look on it as a straightforward engineering design problem. Say that a bomber body consists of a thousand segments of deer hair. Trimmed deer hair is hollow. Throw that onto the water, and a thousand hollow tubes with open ends are saying "Soak me, inundate me, drown me!" But if you seal those hollow tubes with some kind of waxy substance (floatant, hair gel, car wax, surfboard wax...), they become a thousand little pontoons.
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What hook and are you hitching it? I don't dress my dries with anything, mostly from laziness, but they almost always get on top with a hitch. Without it nada.

One trick I like on my bombers is a moose hair collar. Either spun or looped and just using the base of the hairs, it gives it a nice stiff front to push water with. Makes a nice big wake that way and if I want to fish more subtly I'll just run a bucks bug.
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I much prefer Lani Waller's design for skating. Stiff hair wing, tilted forward 45 degrees, with a stiff beard pointed back at 45. Planes like a dream. https://www.flywatertravel.com/blog/...y-lani-waller/
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First attempt at a tube bomber....I only had white deer hair but I think it would fish. It will definitely float well, it is very very light. I sealed the front end and can poke a hole at the bottom to feed the line through and force the fly to ride up while swinging.
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Never liked the Bomber design, but that is me.

Not enough foam. :-)

The best high-floating and/or long-floating flies are mostly petrochemical in composition with quality ungulate hair added for balance and visibility.
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When I first started tying and fishing bombers, I assumed they were general purpose skaters. They're not--or at least mine aren't. I use them now almost exclusively in slow water, on a relatively short line, with a high stick. Foam always works better, but if I can get away with bomber I'll use it just because.
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