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Hopper Yellow Ozark Turkey

Hey guys!

It's past 2 AM right now, but i guess it happens to many of you as well, you get a new material and you feel the "need" to tie something up with it.

In this case i went to the flyshop to grab those olive turkey feathers, well, they ended being "hopper yellow" instead of olive... there was an olive matching pair, but the fibers were too short (nice for trout wet flies though).

Anyways, i tied it as i imagined i would, hope you like it

Hook:
hand bended size 1
Thread: UNI 8/0 (my favorite! finally the flyshop received few rolls of it)
Tag: twisted gold tinsel
Back Body: lime green silk floss
Front Body: blend of olive rabbit fur and dark olive antron
Ribbing: fine silver oval tinsel plus wide god mylar tinsel on the dubbing part
Hackle: ringneck pheasant
Throat: guinea (should be longer)
Wing: ozark turkey dyed hopper yellow

Side view (right)


Front view


Side view (left)


Inclination view



Thanks for watching!

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Looking good Rob. How did you do the wings? The head on shot looks like left side has twice as many fibers as the right.......

Usually I try to get the wings to meet in the middle at the tie in spot, rather than overlapping.........but maybe you did some "in water" tests and have found an action you prefer.....

I'm off the butcher table!!.....everything went well.....waiting for the pain to set in later tonight.
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Looking good Rob. How did you do the wings? The head on shot looks like left side has twice as many fibers as the right.......

Usually I try to get the wings to meet in the middle at the tie in spot, rather than overlapping.........but maybe you did some "in water" tests and have found an action you prefer.....

I'm off the butcher table!!.....everything went well.....waiting for the pain to set in later tonight.
Thank you Frank

First of all, i am really happy to know that you came out well from the butcher table Now just some rest until you are back to 100%.

Ahhh those wings.... i wish i could actually see someone tying these wings in, but i mean in real life, not video... first i wanted to tie both in at same time, it was a disaster! Have you ever heard of the "spring effect on the back wing"? After more tries than i really want to count (and one hour spent) threw everything to hell and tied them one by one and honestly didn't care if they were overlapped or not.

I'm having real hard time trying to set these wings the proper way. Yesterday even went to see a friend who teaches fly tying here to see if he could help me out, the answer was a plain "no" The reason is simple, no one here ties this kind of wings so no one knows how to properly tie them in....

I will go now to watch marty's dvd again (like 50th time) and see if can i "catch" how to do it.

Well, the trick of putting the front and left pictures worked out, i didn't said anything but was hoping that someone would notice the problem on the wings and maybe drop me some clues to improve them.

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First thing to figure out is what you want to tie......a spey fly or a dee fly.

Thick fibered materials such as turkey won't get you the "spey" look.....but they are great for dee flies. It's just nature of the beast so to speak and those thicker, stiffer fibers will tend to spring back or explode into individual fibers.

For spey wings I use Bronze Mallard, it is much softer, and if you tie it in by the gray section close to stem, you will have better success. As you know, I like the feather tips for spey wings as well. Provided the stems are thin enough.

On spey and dee flies I tighten the thread in a horizontal plane rather than pulling the thread up or down in a vertical plane. For the near wing I pull away from myself and vice versa for the far wing. Use soft pressure/tension on the thread when you first set the wing(s). Tighten the wraps after you have the wings "controlled" with the first few turns.

Keep at it and keep getting out for good fresh air!!
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Thank you, Frank

Ok, had some fresh air after all, had to go to purchase some materials to do a field repair for my vise, this poor thing only wants retirement already, but i cannot let her go until i finish making the new one.

I wont tell you how many feather i've just destroyed in the process of practicing... let's just be glad that they were cheap rooster flats

After i finished smashing feathers alone i wanted to tie something a bit more massive... had that pink ostrich feather laying on the table from last nite's picture (for Borderfly) so grabbed it and some other "not so used" pink materials and made "La Vedette"

The wing was nicer than the previous one, but still overlapping a bit. The material used was rooster flat feather so i cannot ask miracles off it.







Decided to try another one, it's incredible how much it changes to tie in the wings on an empty hook (or with just some wool to act as a body) than on a fully dressed fly, it is like it puts the pressure on one!

I wanted to use white wings, but ran out of rooster flats.... ok, let's use the ozark turkey Called this fly "The Evil Bee", the evil factor it's because all the work it cost me to get those wings into place lol The floss job on this one sucks, but that's another story, will be easier to fix that than the wings.







I believe these wings are now closer to how they should be. Not to sleep yet, but i think i've found my problem at tying them in. Watching (again) Marty tying the strip wing on the dvd, decided to try tying them in putting the strip wich goes closer to me first and then the other one, just the opposit of what i was doing. Oh yes! specially the back wing, which was my worse nightmare, now fitted into place much easier. Not perfect yet, but i'm happy.

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Rob,

The wings on the last one are very close. If you use a few less fibers (i.e. a narrower strip) for each wing, the wing will look better.

The hard part to learn about tying dee style wings is that each wing only covers half of the top of the hook shank at the tie in point. The easiest way I know of to tie them in is to tie in one side, make adjustments to that side by using your thumbnail & forefingernail to get it so it only covers 1/2 the shank at the tie in, then tie in the other side (again using your thumb or forefinger nails to move it into position where both wings meet exactly in the middle of the hook at the tie in.

If you don't have the wings tied in like this with their edges touching, but not overlapping, each other, they will split when fished. Just like the need to tie in bronze mallard by the grey portion of the feather near the stem to keep it from splitting.
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Thank you Russ!!

I think your explanation is really clear and useful I will try tying in the wings with less fibers and you say. I'm about to go dinner now, but i believe that when i am back i will re do the whole Evil Bee, i want the floss to be nicer (it was the first time i do that kind of small segmented floss body) and the wing to bre really neat

At least now i am tying small heads I missed so much this thread, i just can't tie a nice head with 3/0 or 140 thread

Uhm... the bronze mallard wings... i guess those will be the next ones for me, tied a few of them which didn't look bad, but as as probably you already noticed i now want to really dig into the proper way to do these things.

Thank you again

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Talking Now we are talking!

All right, after four hours of "work" i've got it!

Tied one right after dinner, had to cut new wings like 6 times lol yes, i know that steam can renew these feathers, but honestly i didn't wanted to be even 10 kilometers away from a steam source (too much heat today). When finally the wing was just as i wanted it i tied it, made the head and took the camera... I guess they doesn't look bad, but my question is "why does the left wing adopt that strange angle?"....

Oh, yeah... the tail wasn't supposed to be double... Also notice the offset angle on the hook eye, that's my fault when bended the hook

Here are three pics of the fly.







Strange thing, like 1 hour later both wings were perfectly straight, no strange angles...

Well, after seeing that strange angle on the left wing i wasn't very happy... took a nice cold shower and started over again. Maybe the bad thing about this is that i didn't had the same hackle as the one i've used on the very first fly, but well...

On this one i am satisfied, but i want the wise opinion of the experts, it is like when the kid shows his work to the teacher hoping that this time 2+2 would actually be =4







Now the only thing i can do is wait and read what do you guys think about it

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Rob,

That's it. If you tie the strips you used for the far (right) wing as the near (left) wing, and the ones you used for the near (left) wing as the far (right) wing, the tips of the wing will sweep down toward the body. You will be amazed at how simply making this change will improve the look of the fly.
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Will have to try Thank you!
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