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post #1 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-19-2010, 08:37 PM Thread Starter
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Very Rare Hardy Cascapedia 3/0 Original for sale.

I have for sale, another part of my Grandfathers cherished collection. An Original Hardy Cascapedia 3/0
From between 1932-1939. The Cascapedia features nickel silver pillars and ebonite side-plates and has a single counterweighted winding handle. The inset medallions were in lieu of trying to stamp the ebonite plates. This Hardy Brothers Cascapedia has the 'By Royal Warrant of appointment HRH insignia The Prince of Wales 1931-36
Anything other than this information is little known, only that my Grandfather was an avid collector of fly associated tackle and memorabilia

This was recently placed at auction, but failed to meet the auctioneers reserve of $5000US

Price $3750 ovno

Please contact [email protected]
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Additional photographs cascapedia 3/0

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Mr. Heys,

I noticed your photos of the Hardy Cascapedia are dated September 17, 2009 and that the reel is from the Granville Island Sport Fishing Museum. The reel bears the tag that confirms the origin of the reel. The green background used in the photographs is typical of what the museum's owner uses when posting a reel for auction on eBay. There currently are two Hardy Perfects for sale on eBay by the museum owner, both of which show the reels photographed with the green background. One photograph shows the same identification tag

Could you please explain the photos and post new photos of the reel.

Thank you,
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I gotta agree with Speyed on this, the tag is definitely looking like one from the Granville Island Sportfishing Museum.

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http://66.51.163.9/fishing/collectio.../item/M001513/

This is a link to the museums web site you will notice the description posted on this forum is almost word for word from the website. Hmmmmmm.
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and big price lowering from the auction to here...
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very interesting......indeed fascinating what google comes up with:

w w w . thomasrodco.com/?area=vintage_rods_reels

on this webpage above, about 1/2 way down is a Jim Payne 9' rod - the exact pictures of which did appear on Speypages in the classified this month but the thread has been deleted - the google search came up with "Payne, Jim Payne 9' One Handed Dry Fly Salmon Rod, Reluctant Sale...." and referenced :

http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/s...d.php?p=287092
(where p=postnumber)

and

http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/s...ad.php?t=40864
(where t=threadnumber)

both links are dead

but both were located by google where "Duncan Heys Mekong" was searched...

Searching for rare Hardy Cascapedia 3/0 came up with:

w w w .angling-auctions.co.uk/pdf/anglingseptember09.pdf

where an almost identical reel came up for auction in the UK in September 2009 (co-incidental timing to dates on photos above??) - see about 1/3 way down the .pdf document of the auction listings - item #300 - with an estimated hammer price of 7000 to 10000 - no pictures though...



The "plot" thickens.....& further detailed explanations are required

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looks dodgey to me, and i know nothing about collector items.↲
All things being said this person has only made 3 posts, 1 on the 14th of june about another hardy reel and the 2 posts in this thread.

They must find it difficult... those that have taken authority as the truth and not truth as the authority.
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just got a email from him this morning saying he lives in loas at his grandfather house on the river mekong , he sent a phone number which i will call , and yes that reel is one i'm sure that used to be in the grandville museum

i'll know once i chat with him if he has the reel in his hands , if it's the real deal should we say , he says i'm not first as a couple other guys ahead of me for it , people best do your homework befor pulling the trigger

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here is the email i got from him , just tried calling the number he sent me 5 times , and no luck getting through ,, called the operrater and she said no such phone number ,

first one to send him money , it's a scame and i have the name of the one member who he says is dealing with him on it , didn't want to put his name up till i find out if ok with the bosses , if it is someone should get ahold of him asap , i'm off to the river today and when i get home i'll try to contact the guy in case he don't see this topic , maybe just maybe he hasn't sent him money yet

his email to me below



Yes the reel is still for sale, and has created quite some interest, a collector named ###### has offered to buy so I am just in discussions with him, it really is a case of "first come. first served" so the first one to send some money, will get it.
I live in Nongkhai, on the Thailand / Laos border on the banks of the Mekong in my Grandfathers house, I have other Rods and reels available from his collection, which i'm sure people of Speypages will love and cherish them as much as he did, it's a shame for them to sit in the display cabinet and not be appreciated.

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[QUOTE=dutch_m;287227]here is the email i got from him ,.....................
his email to me below



Have you tried finding the routing of this email? That may tell a story or two. I was almost scammed on a Bogden a few years ago on an auction site. I did get a reply from the vendor (by email) who tried to get me to buy outside of the eriebay procedure. I traced his email to a small town in the Mid West of the US, though he gave an Aberdeen Scotland location. I phoned the Aberdeen number which DID exist, but they had never heard of him. I won the auction and messaged that I would collect the reel and pay cash! Last I heard of the matter!!

There are some real sharks out there who can smell the lust for fine collectable tackle at a keen price. There are also would be respectable dealers etc who will take your tackle from you, turn it into cash and not pay you. One in particular comes to mind.

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Re the reel in the pics, I was first suspicious of it being cracked as the pics are mainly of selected areas of the plates. Also I have a few of Angling Auctions older catalogues with many reels shown in close to identical background colour and lighting. Mr Freeman - who owns Angling Auctions in London would be able to tell if the reel was copied from his marketing material.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

This obviously is a scam and last night I asked Dana to remove the thread. I too saw that the description was identical to that of the Granville Island Sport Fishing Museum site. I also received an email from "Mr. Heys" as did dutch_m stating that a particular reel collector (by name) was in contact with him, but that whoever paid first would get the reel.

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There is, probably, only one SAFE way of ensuring that any money paid results in correct reel delivered (ie not a copy/fake etc), and that way of payment is done, especially where there is a lot of wonga/$$$ involved in the transaction, is via a genuine Escrow service.

That service accepts the funds, tells the seller that payment has been made, the item is then forwarded to the buyer for due inspection, and when the buyer is happy that the item is 'true blue & genuine', the money gets the green light to be forwarded by the Escrow service to the seller.

There are, of course, fees involved to be paid to the Escrow service in order that they handle the transaction, but this method is virtually 100% reliable & satisfactory to both buyer & seller.

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Regardless of the outcome of this thread, it could be worthwhile keeping such a thread to represent an illustration of the complexities around the buying/selling of important antique & expensive fishing items....and thus remain for those in the future to read & learn.....

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This is nothing whatsoever to do with Granville Island Sportfishing Museum, Please feel free to contact them. This reel, along with others was auctioned in Japan in October 2009, but failed to meet the auctioneeers reserve of $5000 US, (500,000 yen) i'm no expert on vintage Hardy Reels, so I have done some research, and gathered as much information as possible from the internet, and from books to ensure that nobody "Steals" this valuable part of my grandfathers collection. So if some of the description is similar to other internet based or literature based descriptions, I apologise, but I'm sure no-body here, can say they know the full history of a 75+ year old reel without cross-reference of some sort.
So please, Dutch, Gotspeyed, Tweedside etc, please don't try to be judge Dread. If you cannot contact me on the phone number i gave you which was +66861572986, please check that you dialled the correct number and international dialling code. I'll try to simplify it for you. Thailand number 0861572986, country code +66, or 0066, then remove the first digit from my phone number, i.e "0". (please note USA is 12 hours behind, UK 6 hours so please no 3am phonecalls) If anyone wants the routing for the posts, my IP Address is 119.31.121.69, and Dutch, I never said I live in Laos, I live in Nongkhai, Thailand, on the banks of the mekong, admittedly only 1 mile accross the river from Laos.

Anybody wishing to pay via a Merchant, whether it be a BACS or ESCROW system is more than welcome to do so, I have Alertpay and Paypal accounts aswell, if this option is prefered.

PS. Speyducer tells me a reel like this is estimated to bring a hammer price of between 7000-10000GBP, so sorry gentlemen, the price has just gone up to $10,000 US Otherwise it's staying here as a family heirloom and appreciating asset.

Regards to all!
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