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Hardy 3 3/4 Pre war wide Perfect "Ring Up"

I purchased this from another member last year and am listing for sale as I'm looking to purchase another reel. Based off all the info I've received, these don't come around very often. Reel is in same condition as when I bought it.

Below are comments others had made when it had been up for sale last time.....

When I seen your post about it being a lefty I had to do a double take , in all my years of collecting I have only seen a couple true leftys in wide drum salmon size reels

That is indeed a neet old hardy , I looked at that check work for 10 mins before I could figure it out ,

It was and is a RHW check , to be used with the reel on the top side of the rod , or one could flip it on the bottom and use it as a LHW reel as you did ,

How was the drag on it when adjusting the knob all the way down ,

I seen one old hardy that had two line guards on it , a lefty or a RHW , whatever mood you was in for the day

I'm thinking you'll regret selling that reel ,



----Nice reel. As said above, it is a right hand wind reel. These were referred to as "Rings Up" and enjoyed a very brief period of use. When reeling the reel was positioned on the top side of the rod and retrieved by winding with the right hand. I have only seen 3 St. George rings up reels in the last 10 years (I own one), but never a perfect. They were never cataloged and only available by special order.


----I thought I would pass on a little information about your reel as it is a rare example of a little known hardy reel. In the 1920's and 30's many salmon angler when fishing the large salmon rivers preferred to play fish with the fly reel on top of the rod as opposed to below. This most likely was influence by the popularity of casting reels during those years. These reels are commonly referred to as "rings up" reels (or "rings over"), with the rod's guides being the rings. "Rings Up" reels show up rarely as they were never cataloged and available only when special ordered.

If you look at your reel you will notice a couple of things.

- The tension spring is set in the right hand position. (On left handed reels it is reversed.
- The line guide is angled toward the reel seat. If you google some pictures of reels with line guides and check work exposed, you will see that the line guide is forward from the 12 o'clock position while yours is set back from it.
- The pawl is actually reversed on the spring. It has been turned over so that the reel will wind in the opposite direction from how it was designed. The pawl slot or cut out is designed to face away from the tension screw while yours is facing towards it.

I have no idea of the value of the reel as I have never seen a Wide Drum Rings Up Perfect in 20 years of collecting. It is a very unique reel from an interesting period.

Asking $695.00 . Buyer to cover shipping and PayPal fees

Please feel free to call me if you have any questions... 858-880-6065
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Since this reel (I assume that it's the same one as they are so rare) was originally listed on here by the previous seller, I have tried to research these 'rings up' Perfects, and have come across the same theories about the purpose of the up-facing line guard, whether LHW or RHW, and indeed if the reels were used on 'top' of the rod with the rod rings (guides) upwards facing.

I had come across the same references you rely upon, and the explanations etc. but it still doesn't make sense.

The reason for the further research is that I have an identical reel of 3.75" wide Perfect of the same era with the up-facing line guide, sold to me as LHW.

Although the spring/pawl set-up appears to be as for a RHW reel, when the reel is placed on any rod, with the line guide obviously facing forwards towards to the tip of the rod, the handle is indeed on the left, and the check is much stronger on outgoing than incoming - voila, LHW.

However, in the 'rings up' position, and without any alteration to the pawl postion, now with the handle of the reel on the right, with standard clockwise RHW winding, the check is now stronger on incoming and weaker on outgoing, which simply doesn't make sense - unless the user is to wind the reel backwards (compared to ALL other RHW Hardy reels) on retrieve!!

Result - I'm simply not convinced about the 'rings up' explanation that the reel sits on top of the rod with the rod rings also upwards facing for the reason of the bizarre need to wind the reel backwards on retrieve to make the best use of the spring/pawl mechanism as designed.

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Here is some more info I received from John Shaner.....

Boone Walker forwarded me photos of the your Hardy Perfect. I’ve seen several “Rings Up” Perfects over the years in both trout and salmon sizes, but they are quite rare and don’t often come to market. One of the reasons for this configuration was, I believe, to equalize stress on the bamboo rods of the time, thus reducing the tendency of the material to take a set during a long fight with a salmon or big trout.
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sorry if i hijack this thread for a bit....
another thought to ponder regarding "rings up". notice the line burns on the lineguard. i have a reel with similar burns in the lineguard and on a pillar. while examining it over a campfire one evening with friends, we came to the conclusion that the reel was used for mooching.
either way, it takes a seriously hot fish to create line burns and i consider it good juju.
i wish old reels could tell their tales....
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As the original Spey Pages owner of this reel, I have to say I do regret selling it. A great rare real with lots of mojo. I've been trying to figure out how to buy it back but can't find the right way to fund it. Oh well.

Two things to know about it that I don't think were clear in the post. One in the one picture you can see a thin hairline crack in the frame. I fished it for many years with it and it is not a problem but worth noting. The second is the beautiful unfiled foot. It will not fit many modern reel seats.

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3 3/4" rings-up

For Mike and others...
For what its worth, there is a brief clip in the film "Rivers of A Lost Coast" where Bill Schaadt is playing a fish with the rod /reel "rings up" and appears to be reeling counter-clockwise.
He was a master scrounger but did have some Hardy's around in his "inventory". Something to look at...
Beautiful reel.

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PS-How much does this reel weigh and what is its line capacity?
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For Mike and others...
For what its worth, there is a brief clip in the film "Rivers of A Lost Coast" where Bill Schaadt is playing a fish with the rod /reel "rings up" and appears to be reeling counter-clockwise.
He was a master scrounger but did have some Hardy's around in his "inventory". Something to look at...
Beautiful reel.

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PS-How much does this reel weigh and what is its line capacity?
Thanks, Tom, I'll see if I can source the film!

Mine weighs in @ 375g (13.4oz) empty
& capacity is ~150cc

and the reel is able to accommodate 150m 80lb GSP backing (equiv. to 20lb micron dacron), plus either 75' running line (40lb trilene BG) with 42' Guideline Scandi DDC #9/10 (with tip), or full length CND GPS line 75' head #9/10.


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I thought I would note the only reference I can find with regards to "rings up", the original Hardy Cascapedia had a few reels that were made rings up. The original Cascapedia's were multipliers and of particular note the line wound reverse of the crank (e.g. the line would come over the top of the spool). I included a link to a reel sold from Vintage Fly Tackle.

I have seen several variations with regards to location of line guards on perfects however, I have found little with regards to why the differences.

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I sure wish I had seen this... Not sure who bought this but when you are ready to pass it on I have a great home for it. Please just don't alter the foot

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