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What's the general rule when lining a rod for two handed spey casting, and two handed overhead casting? Is there a difference? Thanks.
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Interesting question.

As more overhead casting is part of getting ready for the THCI, I have tried it with a number of different lines. Seems to me one can overhead cast almost anything, while line design dictates the style for change of direction casting with a D loop.
I notice that RIO does not mention overhead in their Outbound promo texts, but that is an easy line to use overhead, in the surf, for instance. I think it was once marketed as such. It has an under 40' head length. Longish front taper.
Intriguingly, when one searches for "overhead" on the RIO site, up pops their Switch line, which, for me was not as easy to overhead cast.
Two years ago at SOR, Nick Curcione, famous for surf fly fishing, was demoing a Skagit head overhead for the surf.

Simon does a fine job with this topic in the "Understanding Spey Lines 2013" on the RIO site.

It will be interesting to see what others say on this.

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From the foreword of the RIO 2012 Spey line recommendations

"With the popularity of two handed rods growing for overhead casting in the surf, on a lake and even in a river, the column "OutBound Overhead" is listed and
this applies to the correct weight of OutBound or OutBound Short required to load the rod for overhead casting only - a weight that is less than what is needed for spey casting."


A pretty good method of figuring out how to line rods (at least as a place to start) is skagit near the top of the grain window, scandi near the middle, and overhead near the bottom of the grain window.

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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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What Poppy and Loc said.

When in a pinch, I've overheaded with whatever I'm using. Scandis work well, my experience is skagits- even when playing around with various tips, are clunky but doable overhead.

My favorites are an Outbound and an Airlfow 40+, upsized about 2 line weights, depending on the rod.
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My favorites are an Outbound and an Airlfow 40+, upsized about 2 line weights,
SLSS, Not to find fault with your post but I thought the Outbounds and 40+ lines were already uplined from the box.

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What's the general rule when lining a rod for two handed spey casting, and two handed overhead casting? Is there a difference? Thanks.
I like a bit lighter line for overhead than Spey casting for lines of same length & design.

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SLSS, Not to find fault with your post but I thought the Outbounds and 40+ lines were already uplined from the box.
I've never seen reason to argue with you Poppy, particularly when it comes to knowledge of tackle.

I've never really looked at the weight, just threw on the rods what I had. A 40+ 6 was really nice on the Decho 4 I used to have, and I like an 8 outbound on my Meiser 6. I had them both for sh rods, and just decided to play around.

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Yes I would also go heavier if I was using that line for spey casting (single hand line on a switcher) but for overhead I like the load using number for number. Others might very well like it heavier and whatever works for a given caster is right, for that caster.

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Yes, I agree, but I find when you're in the lower end of the grain window like a scandi, you can cheat it overhead without too much overload- pretty happy result.

And as I said I was using what I had, rather than buy a new line for something I do only occasionally. When I'm striper fishing, I prefer spey casting most of the time, just occasionally throw overhead.
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I agree with most of the points here... all good suggestions!

The only thing I like to add is rod length factor. 13' - 13'6 is my breaking point. Below 13' feet... It is very easy to time the overhead cast. I use DT line (for single handed rod) and match it with same weight rod. I also tend to cut/splice it into shooting head to suit my fishing conditions. For example SH 8 line for DH 8 rod... It seems it is 3 weight down scale the weight... but it cast nicely particularly if you prefer to fish small flies. It is easy to time the stroke and adjust the body movement accordingly.

For 13'6 and above length. It require a bit heavier line to feel (to me). So I scale it up a little bit, but the line weight is still below the grain weight of normal Scandi head.

When Overhead casting, I found myself prefer DT line, the extended belly helps me to keep the line afloat longer and has more control in the air... it is quite counter intuitive than spey casting which "sharp taper" usually give me more control.

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I use general rule like that:
if grain window for the rod is 350 - 425 grain,
overhead line weight should be in the 350-375 range, and spey line in 400-425
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