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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 04-12-2013, 10:14 PM Thread Starter
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Fly/Leader mid air tangles

So this is my first season with a two handed rod after many years with a single hand rod. So far it is going pretty well, with a handful of steelhead, salmon, and bulls caught.

That said, my casting is hit or miss, the most common trouble I have is my fly hitting the leader/line towards the end of the cast,usually just before its fully extended out on to the river ect. I am using a typical skagit setup, and usually use either the snap t or double spey cast.

Any ideas what is going on here, besides the obvious that I am not a great caster?
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 04-12-2013, 10:23 PM
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I hope some other chime in as some days i struggle with same.

I think it is from moving through the motion too fast. it creates too tight a loop that rolls onto itself. I also notice this happens when I come more side arm than I should. as soon as i straighten back up a bit, it seems to correct. lets see if I'm on the right track or if someone who's in the know can help us out.
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Yeah, I believe it's when you drop your lower hand too fast and as a result bring the tip down too abruptly, forming a loop that loops on itself....if that makes any sense. Slow down and keep that tip moving in a crisp straight line.
This is just my experience and my self diagnosis...when I changed these things all was resolved.
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Most likely you are quartering the cast well down-stream BUT placing your anchor too far up-stream (crossing paths if you will) during the double-spey.

The snap-t (assuming right-hand up on river left) is better for wider change in direction and casting across stream than the single-spey cast. So the anchor should be set well upstream of the caster to prevent the cast catching its self on the way out.

In either case: the spey cast is very linear, and best when the anchor and the D loop are aligned 180 degrees from your target. You are looking for the anchor to swivel around and straighten-out, in-line with the direction of the D loop. Any sooner and the line will unroll from beneath and catch its self on the forward cast.
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Two most likely reasons

already mentioned is crossing tracks. Backcast should be 180 degrees to the forward and the forward should be parallel and downstream of the anchor. Otherwise the forward cast will cross the path of the line and tangle.

The second likely reason for a collision is a tailing loop caused by too much force too soon. Remember to accelerate to a stop.

It should be pretty easy to determine which is occurring, as crossing paths of back and forward casts is obvious.

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Good Tips

Many thanks. I will look out for these things next day on the river. It seems my first 30 or so casts go well, then something happens, and the casts start to go a little south
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Try keeping your rod on the same plane throughout the cast. Ex. Don't start with with your rod at a 45 deg angle on the back cast and 90 deg on the forward cast.
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