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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-11-2013, 05:49 PM Thread Starter
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So this is my first year swinging flies for steel head and i love it!!! just starting to get my double speys and perry pokes down. but my running line keep getting all tangled up within the first couple guides. When im casting shorter distances i just let the line float in the water, but for longer casts i'm holding the running line in loops in my fingers. not sure if im doing it wrong or what but they keep tangling and knotting up every other cast, its getting old lols. i wasnt sure if there was some kind of lubricate u can put on the line or what, because it's starting to feel dry or sticky, but not really sticky just not as slick feeling u guess. but if u guys got any tips or ideas i love to here from ya!

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Your coils could be to small, try just a couple large coils instead of a scad of small ones. I tend to have two-three coils on all casts +50'. One large coil with about half of it on the water and another mid sized coil. After a few hours the casting the line becomes twisted so I'll just throw a nice LONG cast to get most of the twist out before it turns into a rats nest. What type of shootin line do you use?-N8
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So this is my first year swinging flies for steel head and i love it!!! just starting to get my double speys and perry pokes down. but my running line keep getting all tangled up within the first couple guides. When im casting shorter distances i just let the line float in the water, but for longer casts i'm holding the running line in loops in my fingers. not sure if im doing it wrong or what but they keep tangling and knotting up every other cast, its getting old lols. i wasnt sure if there was some kind of lubricate u can put on the line or what, because it's starting to feel dry or sticky, but not really sticky just not as slick feeling u guess. but if u guys got any tips or ideas i love to here from ya!

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you could try rotating your rod 90 degrees on the forward cast. so the reel ends up on the right side of the rod instead of underneath. $.02
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Mikes post 'got it.'

The only other thing is you will get 'line twist' even with a 2hander. Pull off everything beyond the head and right down to the backing knot let same move in flowing water to straighten the thing out.

Really want to do that right, disconnect the head/shooting line off the backing and do the same. Odds are 95% that the backing was put on too loose save for you had same put on in a fly shop with a line winder.

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Great tips!!!

Thank you everyone for your feedback. Come to a think of it, I with ink I am making my coils to small. And I have not tried untwisting my line since it got lined about a year ago so next time I go out, I will for sure do that. Damn I wish I didn't have to work the next four days, so I could try out some new techiques. But thx again everyone ill keep you posted next time I go out!!!!!

Thx, Clinton
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One other option Clinton is to just drop the loops on to the water just before you cast. Unless you're standing in really fast moving water those coils don't have time to float down stream in the 3 - 5 seconds it takes to make the cast. .




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Another way of handling loops is to simply strip everything in, letting all of the running line lay on the water in one very long loop. Grab this loop mid way and be done with it. Some running lines just handle better than others. If all else fails, try another running line.

I once had a custom wrapped rod that had too many guides that got really close together at the top end of the rod. Even though it had rather large stripping guides, and they were placed at odd spacings that were supposed to aid shooting line. It didn't work. The line would go through the stripping guides OK, but it could not make it through all of those extra snake guides without jamming.

I removed every guide on that rod and replaced them with (four less) larger snakes, adding a larger first stripping guide & one additional stripper. Problem solved. No one should have to go to that extreme. But sometimes upping the size of the strippers helps.

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welp theres another couple of good things to try!! thanks fred and JD, most of the time im not in to quick of water to just drops the loops b4 the cast, so that should work or just try the strip it all in and grab the line mid way and give her a whirl. all else fails try a new running line lols, like i said its my first spey rod/ reel, and i have no idea what brand or kind of running line it is and have no idea how a good one would feel. but next time out i'll will be trying some new techniques out, if not going to try a new line.

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It may have been mentioned or you maybe are already doing it but give that running line a good stretch too as I have found that to help.
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It may have been mentioned or you maybe are already doing it but give that running line a good stretch too as I have found that to help.
Hello.. Spot on!! Always my first piece of advice,regardless what kind of running line you´re using,or really,what kind of LINE you´re using. Try coiling the line in a decreasing number of pulls. I was taught this by someone who´s being using shooting heads since the early -80´s. Six pulls-grab line-four pulls-grab line-two pulls-grab,and cast. Small coils require more energy to fly,and you´ll find more energy in the early part of the cast. By creating unequal sized loops,they don´t tangle so much. He said.. Works for someone who really hates tangles=me. Yours borano20
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need to check your stripping technique, brother, A little curve of the wrist puts a kink in with every strip.
when your running line is slack, do you see coils?

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Woooo!!!!!!

I don't think there is coils in my loops when stripped in, but maybe sometimes. Prolly slow down and fix it. Other then that I think my loops were to small in my fingers and didn't down size the loops or change there size within my fingers. But i can finally get out on the river tomorrow and try some new techniques you have all shown me!! So I'm pretty stoked. Thinking the John day or north Santiam. But thx again everyone i will get back on tomorrow night when I get back and give ya an update. Wish me luck.

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