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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-20-2013, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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if'n yer a nooby

I just posted this on another thread, but though it might help a guy or two here. These things have helped me all through my two handed journey, and continue to each day I fish-
hope it helps some of you-

Anyone with anything to add to help out "that new, passionate, thoroughly confused and excited spey caster" that we all once were and maybe still are Please do-

Another thing or two ponder:

1 . The fore cast is only as good as the set up ( generally, though eventually one can bail themselves out with some tricks) -

2. If you don't learn first to set your anchor correctly , you are in trouble- ( kinda the same as above)
3. All casts are very much the same once the anchor is in place... What I mean is, you can do all kinds of fancy schmancy crap before the shot, but when the shot starts, the Bullshix stops and it all becomes the same thing to execute a good cast, don't get hung up in the first part of the cast so much other than to be sure you can hit your anchor target...
Think about that for a second- When I started casting, all these different casts, where mind numbing. Big moves off both sides, left, right, downstream wind, upstream wind, river right river left, yada yada, blaugh blaugh-

If a guy goes back to the basics:

1. sets the anchor close and correctly
2. Sweep evenly and smoothly to the fire position
3. Shoots the forecast with evenly accelerating power through the stroke
4. Uses the lower hand.
5. Stop firm
6. And when it all goes to crap, Slow down, SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOOOWWWNNNN, and don't cast so hard !!!!!!! Let that silly stick you just paid a fortune for do some work for you until you know how to manage it- Casts to 80' should/can be nearly effortless-
7. Lastly, timing is everything

One will be surprised how quickly it will come together.
Remember the KISS formula to get the basics and get on your way to being a very good fishing caster if that's what you want-
Build a solid casting foundation , and the cool stuff will come

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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-20-2013, 01:02 PM
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Words of wisdom come so seldom!

Nice thread!

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post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-20-2013, 02:34 PM
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nice post - my mentor when I got into the short line game was Scott O'Donnell and he would just scream at you in the beginning "HARDER" when you realy tied to muscle a cast!! Slow and smooth are words to live by
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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-20-2013, 05:17 PM
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Very good post Leroy.

The slowing down and let the rod do the work is sage advice indeed.

When I first started casting the two hander,and started muffing casts,and falling into that thing that thing I think most everyone starting out falls into, trying to muscle it out there,and going to fast,and everything would just die in the water.

When that would happen I'd stop look out over the river and say to myself "SLOW DOWN" let the rod do the work.....then I would set the anchor on whatever cast it might be sweep 'round...."WAIT"!!! let the D loop form pull with the bottom hand stop high...and with very little effort all the line would go out with the reel chirping,calling for more line to go out.

The less effort you give,providing you have the anchor right,and do the other motions slowly and correctly,the more you are rewarded,and the farther-better you cast.

Don't grab the rod like your trying to kill a snake....light grip,and smoothly through the cast gets it done.


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try not to try.
when i get in the $hit zone, its almost always from trying too hard, and it happens alot more than i'd like. my bad casts always start with my head.

insta-release not Insta-gram !!

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Good thread and good posts.

There are two categories of "noobies": experienced/good single-handed casters new to Spey, and those new to all of fly casting/fishing. For the latter class of beginners the forward cast is challenging, and should be mastered before moving on, INHO.

For those new to all of fly casting/fishing, learning to cast a good loop with a single-handed rod will in most cases markedly reduce Spey learning time. I define a good loop as one with a straight top leg and for bonus points near-parallel top and bottom legs. A good loop is not necessarily a tight loop.

Once loop control is established with a single-handed rod, go to Rio's Modern Spey Casting video, disc one. See the Simon Gawesworth section titled "Forward Cast." It is superb. I watched it last night at least a dozen times. Simon is terrific.

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post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-02-2013, 12:55 PM
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Spey to z also has a nice transitional piece from single handed overhead to single handed under the tip to single handed single Spey. It's s great place to start regardless of ones experience level.

With the costs associated with Spey gear, and the benefits of the casting style, I'd advise all those interested in getting into Spey to master at least a half dozen casts with their single handed rod. It will open a new world of possibilities, reduce fatigue and wind knots.

Then if you find you like the casting style, get the longer rod and enjoy its benefits

Oh, and beware, once you get one Spey rod & reel, you will want to get more...
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Btree you are so right about gear. I started in spring 2012 and by fall 2012 I had 4 Spey rods and 4 reels. I have used all but one. I still have two virgin rods.
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