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post #1 of 61 (permalink) Old 12-05-2012, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
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Perry Poke

I have been spey fishing for the last 5 years....well, actually spey casting with indicator set-up and swinging some on a switch rod. Anyway, there has been a lot of talk as of late about the Perry Poke and i was hoping for some info regarding this cast: such as why we use it, how to perform it, etc. Any info would be much appreciated. Thank you!
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you tube it dude! really easy effective cast! can be helpful if you blow te initial set up to some casts.. any cast really or when tossing big flies and tips or fighting some wind directions. I use it lots when single hand nymphing for triut because i can strike poke then drive the nymph rig back out.. reall efficient. i love and hate the cast because its really easy you can double or triple "poke" do it off either shoulder and whatnot but typically when I teach someone the cast they stop doing all the other "fun" and "technical" casts because of how simple and flawless it can be... to make the cast you lift and draw back like a single Spey then you dump the line in front of you crashing the rod tip down almost like you blew the cast then you lift sorry back form your d loop and cast the line out

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try the search function ~ it don't get poked enough
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To me it's the Ugliest thing I've ever seen - Josh, !!! I would go as far as to say that most spey-anglers would rather perform a clean-cast from star to finish instead of taking the extra "dump" to correct a bad anchor placement.

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I wouldn't consider the Perry poke a cast at all, but rather more as a way to correct how or where the anchor is placed during any of the other actual spey-casts. Much like what maxwell states above. For instance during a double-spey if the anchor is way too far up-stream during the initial set-up: you can simply make a dump cast (Perry-poke) to allow for the anchor to pass further down-stream (in relation to your casting shoulder) while at the same time keeping enough tension on the line to prevent "line-stick" during the final delivery. You can make the "dump" as many times as you want during any of the other actual spey casts, as long as there is no conflict with the position of the anchor and D loop, and where you intend to cast the line.

I've heard few different stories told about how the Perry-poke came about, but it was Ed Ward who first explained it to me as merely a way to correct anchor placement. This was back when he was still working on the whole deeply anchored-casting style of his, before inter-net video was what it is today, and before the DVD's. Of the few anglers I fish with regularly, only one uses the dump casts just for the sake of doing it and he likes doing it right in the middle of a perfectly set single-spey. To me it's the Ugliest thing I've ever seen - Josh, !!! I know it's the same you think of my casting, . I would go as far as to say that most spey-anglers would rather perform a clean-cast from star to finish instead of taking the extra "dump" to correct a bad anchor placement.

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For whatever its worth, I believe the PP has its place and can be very effective when applicable. There are definately situations with mid to long belly floaters, when choked to the bank, that the poke assists in setting a more frontal D loop and line speed that provides a more productive cast. Also when standing hip deep in fast moving water with short heads and tips. having said that, I'm a pretty poor caster.

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Well........... I figure you better learn how to do it because as the poster above 'Panhandle' stated, there are times when it's real handy.

I didn't know that what I did was the perry Poke until I was told by a friend what it was called. I use long belly lines and don't like to strip in except to get to the loading point. Sometimes this means between 60 & 70 feet of line plus a 13' leader to contend with when casting back across the river. I thought I was doing a 'Double Spey' cast because it seemed like it took about half a cast just to get the line positioned and the rod loaded, then another complete cast to get it all up and gone. I don't know all the proper terminology of 2 hand casting but I know that one of these Poke casts, when done right will carry an entire 75' head / belly and a bunch of the shooting line behind.

If you are using long head lines, 50 - 75' you're gonna need to know the Poke.

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Baetis, it's a fishing cast plain and simple. Tons of info on this site as well as doing a quick search on Skagitmaster.com. The "poke" is reasonably new, it's variations have been around along time. Faulkus mentioned it as the contrived loop cast in a few of his great books on salmon fishing. Most likely if I had to take a guess some guillie in Scotland was using it 200 years ago? Infact, a few years back a Scottish speycasting team got a hold of the "poke" and were so deadly with the cast it was banned from competition by the state of California! Well, actually it was just Sanfran, those folks couldn't handle the "poke". With a long belly line, nope that's not a fishin cast they said, it's not a viable change of direction cast anymore, it ain't fair you Scottish guys can poke that line 170'. So now were gonna limit ya to a 55' head, if you wanna use that cast! Funny thing is a properly designed 55' head can be cast beyond 180' with a 15' rod if the caster is in tune with the conditions and can manage the shooting line.

The "poke" would be the perfect cast to reach that distance with a short head configuration. It's a straight line path right to the target. Anchor already out in front and let it rip. just a few thoughts from a somewhat twisted mind!

As you can see there is a lot of research to be done on the topic. Enjoy!

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If you're fishing...the Perry poke is your friend. The single spey is only useful when you intend to cast less than 90 degrees across and you're intersted in fishing the surface or a few inches below. Most steelheaders fishing wet flies want the fly to sink and casting 90 across or upstream is how it's done, appropriate mending assumed. Here's where the poke is the answer...and for me it's about where the fly hits the water. ID the spot, set it up and throw the line, the PP is my telescope or riflescope, I can nearly always hit it with a PP. With a single spey I'm betting everything on anchor placement, the PP insures placement.

The Perry poke is useful for every possible cast. It's not just for the single spey, you can make a double a triple if you choose to poke, setup once again. For me it's better to put the fly where I want it than make a pretty cast.

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Well it's nice to hear from some folks on this site who actually fish on an actual river.(not internet fishing,as some here seem to be doing..)

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...and a couple of others...you can tell these guys fish,by what they say,real world techniques that work in real fishing situations.

The Perry Polk is a very useful cast-tool to have,and when done correctly is an aesthetically nice looking cast(not that that really matters)....A person can fire out a whole hell of a lot of string in a lazer tight loop with this cast.

I use the Perry Polk as a stand alone cast,when the situation calls for it...when the situation calls for a; single,circle,snap or double,I'll use one of those...it's called being versatile in your "FISHING" casts.

If your casting little pieces of yarn at a clave,that's one thing.

Casting real flies with weight or not and possibly tips, in high wind standing in waist deep,and deeper water, with the overhanging bank scratching your back,and doing a precarious balancing act on slippery rocks...well you learn to be creative with your casts,and that makes you a better caster,and more effective fisherman.

Nothing beats being out there every other day or so and casting in these real world situations.

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If your casting little pieces of yarn at a clave,that's one thing.



Nothing beats being out there every other day or so and casting in these real world situations.

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Oh yeah? I went to a clave once and tried the Perry Poke with yarn on grass. It was useless. Tired from the long drive, heart burn from too much food, broke from buying stuff, nauseous from wafting cigar smoke, star struck from seeing Simon and talking to, ahem, Mike Kinney...Obviously, Wild Bill you no nuthin' 'bout "real world" Clave situations.

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If you're fishing...the Perry poke is your friend. The single spey is only useful when you intend to cast less than 90 degrees across and you're intersted in fishing the surface or a few inches below.


You may want to re-think that. It's quite easy to hit 90 degree's with the single spey, using short ratio's of 3x-3.5x , spey shooting heads, if one wants and that is with tips and junk.

BTW- there is the snap t also
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Oh yeah? I went to a clave once and tried the Perry Poke with yarn on grass. It was useless. Tired from the long drive, heart burn from too much food, broke from buying stuff, nauseous from wafting cigar smoke, star struck from seeing Simon and talking to, ahem, Mike Kinney...Obviously, Wild Bill you no nuthin' 'bout "real world" Clave situations.
.......oh yeah....and don't forget the little dance,out in front of the "johhny on the spot" waiti'n your turn.....'cause you ate the under cooked sausage and burgers......."c'mon cheeks stay together"....yeah I know a bit about real world clave situations.. !!!!

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