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I recently purchased an Anderson Custom rod on Ebay and gave Gary a call on which line I should use for the rod. I have an ACR scandi 12'9 7 weight and he recommended a 450 grain scandi head made for the rod. Upon getting to know this rod I am having problems getting the sinking poly leader out of the water enough for fishing. It seems like it is overloaded and not strong enough without stripping in some of the head to make my cast. My first impression was that my scandi technique needs some attention. I purchased the rod to take steelhead fishing on the salmon river in New York but now have some reservations about bringing it.
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Should handle it fine. What kind of casts are you making?
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I had the came problem with my casting, depending on the length of the head I need to over exagerate the snap of the snap-z cast to lift the tips out of the water. The trick is to do what you need to place an anchor

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you could always roll cast your line down directly below you before making your cast. That should work whether you're doing a single spey or any type of sustained anchor cast.

A lot of the cast is in the lift, so you may want to check to see if you are bringing your rod tip up high enough to get all that line out of the water.

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I recently purchased an Anderson Custom rod on Ebay and gave Gary a call on which line I should use for the rod. I have an ACR scandi 12'9 7 weight and he recommended a 450 grain scandi head made for the rod. Upon getting to know this rod I am having problems getting the sinking poly leader out of the water enough for fishing. It seems like it is overloaded and not strong enough without stripping in some of the head to make my cast. My first impression was that my scandi technique needs some attention. I purchased the rod to take steelhead fishing on the salmon river in New York but now have some reservations about bringing it.
Just how long and heavy is your sinking polyleader?

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If you're using Rio's polyleaders, they're quite a bit heavier than the Airflo versions of the same length and sinking rate; I would recommend using the Airflo 10' intermediate poly and 4 - 8' of level mono as a tippet, which will result in a total head/poly mass of 480 grains assuming the head you're using weighs out at 450. Give that a shot; if it still seems too heavy, switch to a full mono leader (e.g. 12' 60/20/20) just to see how the rod reacts/feels.
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Just took it out and tried some of your ideas and it seemed OK. I tried with a 12 ft 7ips poly leader and it worked OK. Just seems like the head really flexes the rod and it seems like a lot more work than fun. Will let u know how it feels fishing, Thanx 4 the advice.
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Timing is really critical when you're using a fast- or super-fast-sinking leader. If you're new to Scandi, try to progress from a floating or intermediate poly into the denser stuff as your skills improve. Getting the line back out of the water on the forward stroke requires that the stroke begin almost before the line touches down on the backcast. Once you get the speed of the casting stroke down and your timing on the forward cast becomes better, you should find the casting to become far more enjoyable. If the line seems to be ripping out of the water on the forward stroke and/or you feel like you're working too hard, then the timing may be off or your backcast could be too flat, and the head/poly might be too heavy for your personal casting style, respectively. One option is to go to a lighter head, such as an Airflo 420-gr Compact Scandi, with the previously-mentioned 10' Airflo intermediate poly and level tippet. Practice with this until you get the feel of the rod in control.

I should note that I'm assuming you're using airborne-anchor casts; if not, then my remarks about timing are not applicable.

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Just took it out and tried some of your ideas and it seemed OK. I tried with a 12 ft 7ips poly leader and it worked OK. Just seems like the head really flexes the rod and it seems like a lot more work than fun. Will let u know how it feels fishing, Thanx 4 the advice.
If its too heavy and not fun I would go to shorter lighter poly leader as Puffin suggested. I dont think that set up would be fun to cast even for an advanced caster.

Another idea is to cast that same polyleader with a skagit head around 375 or 390 grains to make your total grains combined 425 to 450 for easier casting. Find out what feels good to you and go for it.

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That rod is kind of an 8 wt with a soft tip. Steve G described it to me as having been designed to be a Scandi rod for windy days. He made a 510gr Scandi for me it works well. Could probably go a bit lighter but I doubt you'd want to go any lighter than the 450 you have - not having tried myself I can't say for sure.

I have not fished mine with anything more than an intermediate poly leader. If you have a buddy with a Rage line in low to mid 400s you might try that with heavier polys. There again I haven't actually tried that so I could be completely wrong.

Let us know what you end up with. I'd be curious to know.

By the way, that is a nice stick.

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My first impression was that my scandi technique needs some attention. I purchased the rod to take steelhead fishing on the salmon river in New York but now have some reservations about bringing it.
The wind always seems to be blowing on the Salmon River when the steelhead are running. You might find and Airflo Rage line to work better for you than a Scandi.
The Airflo Rage is like halfway between a Skagit and a Scandi line.
On the Salmon River when conditions don't warrant me throwing MOW tips or T-material with my Airflo Skagit compact I switch over to my Airflo Rage line with polyleaders.
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Puffin is spot on, with the sinking polyleaders the lift in the beginning is critical. Lift till the poly starts to come out of the water just like sink tip fishing then move into you cast. This is referred to as the shotgun lift.

If you are dead set on using a sinking polyleader I would shorten up to a 10' one. Also the size of the fly might be a problem. Most short rods have a little bit of trouble with poly leaders over 10'. I'm sure the line is spot on Gary has it pretty well dialed in. A 7wt spey should cast a 430-460 Scandi head.

If the fly is large switch to a skagit line and a tip.

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FWIW Rio recommends 410 - 435 and 5/6, 6/7 AFS

You might be too heavy (and long) for your own personal enjoyment.

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I had same issue also with using a scandi for the first time with a poly on it. Got it down beautiful just with the scandi but when I put poly on, I wanted to give up, but what I think Pollie said is spot on. Takes awhile to get the timing down, but when you got it, it will look beautiful and effortless!
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thanx 4 all your help. Had a real hard time fishing with it. Fished the beulah platinum the next day and it was a great experience. Can't seem to get the hang of this rod. I am planning to get a lighter head for it. If that don't work I will have to sell it. Its a shame, I heard so much about his rods. Maybe too much rod for a neophyte like myself. Or maybe they are just overrated. I have been a 2 handed rod guy for 4 years, it is the only rod that I haven't been able to figure out after a short while.
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