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A basic look at the Skagit Double Spey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30K5sNnIro

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Peter - nice post and great video sections. I would comment that I have seen a number of very good casters - Mike McCune comes to mind - that really do not extend the arms in the sweep and forward cast and this is the method I have learned. In fact the elbows hardly ever leave the side of the body and a very compact motion is used. But as you say - there is no one right way - thanks for your posts - they are very informative.

Here is a post of Mike completing an off-shoulder double - hope it copies

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for some reason, the clip is not working though I have posted in the past - will see if I can figure out and re-post later
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Rick, the clip isn't working for me either.

The arm extension works for me as it prevents too much line on the water and too much anchor during the forward stroke. In the one segment where I left my arms in on purpose, the point of the D-Loop contacted the water. I find it easier to keep the bottom leg of the D-Loop off the water with the extension.

I suspect that taller anglers may not find it necessary (I'm vertically challenged).

Whatever works is all that matters. If someone finds that there is too much line on the water and the anchor too 'wet', then extend the arms. It does work to cure that issue.

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Peter - I am a huge fan of "short" heads as is Mike in many cases - with ratios down around 2.5 or less which really lends itself well to the very compact hand/arm motions
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Anything that gets the line out there is a good way to sum it up. But to teach a person who has never touched a spey rod, a compact simple approach to skagit casting is needed. Skagit is about popping that bottom hand in towards the stomach to allow the rod to do the work with a subtle stop at 2 oclock to create a nice loop.

Ed Ward style to skagit I would say is more advanced as everything is in close quarters. A rod length away I would say is the best bet for beginners.

But the videos are well done Peter!

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Peter - I am a huge fan of "short" heads as is Mike in many cases - with ratios down around 2.5 or less which really lends itself well to the very compact hand/arm motions
Makes sense as I tend to use heads in the 2.8 - 3.1 range. There's no compelling reason to use shorter for where I fish.

Whether the angler is longer or the head shorter, the net result is the same. Manage the anchor position into the Goldilocks zone.

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good video, Peter. I'll consider your points next time I'm out casting!
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Peter, the sound track (as it made its way to my computer speakers, at any rate) had your voice-over repeating, with several seconds between the first and second versions, so that you were, in effect, interrupting yourself. But I could understand most of what you said.

As to the visuals, they were excellent. I appreciated the fact that the line was visible in all phases of the casts, even though they were filmed on different streams, with somewhat different lighting. That's something that most video clips of spey casting don't achieve.
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Peter, the sound track (as it made its way to my computer speakers, at any rate) had your voice-over repeating, with several seconds between the first and second versions, so that you were, in effect, interrupting yourself. But I could understand most of what you said.
That's an odd problem. Did you try downloading it more than once to see if the problem repeats? I wonder what would happen if you unplugged one speaker . . .

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I believe if you copy the link for Mike casting and then paste you can watch the video if interested - for some reason just clicking on the link no longer works?
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Rick, still not working, see Ed Ward doing a double at 2:25 ... not a tall guy, standing thigh deep, keeping arms tight in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2w-3cteRoY

I see differences in that cast that start with the set (closer anchor) and rod attitude (farther back to horizontal) that allow a bigger wider "out and around" sweep for more rotational velocity in the D-loop. The effect of that big rotation on repositioning the sinktip can be seen by comparing the difference between where the anchor lands, and where the fly exits the water

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I hate it when things stop working - I posted the same clip under Juro's original post on the DS - scroll down to page 6 - this still seems to work when I click on it.

http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/s...ad.php?t=14956

But yes - Ed's movements are very similar to Mike's though normally Mike has a shorter forward stroke while Ed has a longer forward stroke extending his top arm out further though it is not all that evident in the clip of Skagit Master 1
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Gents, let's not lose sight of the fact that this is the Spey Basics forum and the video is about a basic Skagit Double, done using the K.I.S.S. principle. It isn't about how the super jedis cast; it's about getting a Spey newcomer off to an easy start. It's about teaching casting techniques that leave large margins for error yet still produce reasonable results.

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