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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 04-09-2012, 08:27 AM Thread Starter
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Switch Rod/Line/Reel Help

Hi Spey Clave

I am new to your forum and I am also new to switch/spey rods and casting.

I have a few questions about a setup I am purchasing in the next few months.

Okay I am getting a 6/7 Switch from Beulah for Atlantic Salmon fishing and some trout fishing. Now most of my fishing will be on rivers between 50' - 100' wide with some late fall fishing on some smaller rivers. The main reason for getting the switch is casting distance, my 5wt setup is a med. action rod and I find it hard to get over the 60' mark and it is very light for Atlantic Salmon.

So most of my casting would be spey style with very little over head casting (my first cast I learned was a roll cast and have since learned how to do some nice power casting that is able to out distance my overhead casts).
I am not familiar with the lines like scandi or skagit and what they are used for or what would suit me best?

So my questions would be what type of line should I be looking at or should I just get a normal line that is heavier like a 8wt Airflo line for my setup?

Also wondering if I get a scandi or skagit line should I also invest in MOW tips for more possibilities when fishing?

My other question is reel/rod weight and balance. The reel I was thinking of getting for the setup is a Nautilus FWX 7/8 reel but with line and backing they are still 2 ounces lighter than the 6/7 Beulah switch. Does the balance affect a switch rod and switch casting alot? I have a 5/6 FWX reel for my 5WT Classic Trout rod and it is perfectly balanced(I find it more difficult to use an unbalanced setup now).

I know it is alot of questions but any help would be great.

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Welcome to the board FishDragon and fellow Miramichi fisherman

I'm far from being an expert in the area of spey,( only been spey casting since last fall) but have over 40 years of Atlantic Salmon fishing experience. I think you may be better served with at least a 7/8 rod. The Beula Classics are 10.5' and if you're looking for distance an 11' Platinum # 8 may be better for you (although about $100 more). Beautiful rods and very light. A buddy of mine (also a Miramichier and excellent caster) just ordered a Platinum 8 wt. 11'. I have a TFO DC # 8 switch with a custom scandi 32', 475 gr head made by Steve Godshall, but I do quite a bit of overhead casting as well, so you probably want a heavier line if you're mostly spey casting (as you will learn from this site, there's lots of confusion re lines {hence my decision to go with a custom line}). This is just what I use. Others are better able to recommend lines specific to your needs. A good start is maybe for you to check the manufacturer's recommendations or Rio's website which has recs for many rods including yours.

Just my thoughts on rod and line. I'm sure you'll get lots of replies on reels and balance ( which I believe is important.... when swinging the fly as well as in casting)

You're going to have a blast with this passion called "Spey".

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I have been doing some research on lines and terminology and after looking at Rio's understanding fly lines pdf document I think the Skagit is the way to go and then a set of MOW tips for fishing through the water column (something that I haven't seen done on the Miramichi, most use floating lines).

Now most of the fly fishing I have done has been for small Steelies and saltwater Brookies on PEI. I almost always used a nymph rig with and without an indicator with and without weighted nymphs and splitshot. (Something not allowed on the scheduled rivers here in NB, don't agree with that but that is another matter entirely). I have figured out some different roll type casts which after reading up on spey casting I have come to realize is just spey casting with a single handed rod. This is very good for me!

Now last fall in the Miramichi Area I was fishing with some fellows using switch rods but they were using fly lines made for single handed rods. Now they could cast overhead very well but they couldn't roll cast because the rod wouldn't load well. (Spey lines are very different from single lines). I was using my trusty mid-action 5wt for some salmon fishing (hooked 17 salmon in 15 days and only landed 3 grilse and two small salmon because of the small rod with no backbone, was hella fun though).

Anyway I was using a 12ft 7-9 ips sinking tip plus a 10' leader and I was able to consistently able to hit between 50-60' doing some fancy roll casts that started down stream then crossed over my body up stream, then I would do another quick roll cast without the line touching water, then I would let it shoot out across from me and the fly would just flip out on top of the water(hard to explain). I would usually have 10 - 15' stripped in that would shoot out through the guides. I just loved doing that cast but it could be dangerous and a few times I would be ducking to miss the fly on a poorly executed cast. The fellows fishing besides me were giving me many compliments on the cast. If spey casting is as much fun as that(I think it will be) I am gonna have a blast.

My only question as I will be fishing on PEI with nymph rigs as well, will the skagit line be wrong for that type of fishing? I am getting the switch mainly for salmon fishing but would like to give it a go on some of the bigger estuaries over there.
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Was talking to Bob Meiser on the phone and he pointed me in the right direction for rods and lines. Not what I was thinking at all. Great guy to talk to!
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Was talking to Bob Meiser on the phone and he pointed me in the right direction for rods and lines. Not what I was thinking at all. Great guy to talk to!
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If you are getting into big Atlantic salmon, 6/7 is too light. My friends that fish on the Gaspe use 8 wt. switches. Tough to find one rod that can bridge trout and salmon. If you are after grilse and not the large fish, then you would be OK with that Beulah.
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I am leaning towards a 6wt Deercreek with a Scandi line. Still have lots of learning to do with regards to poly leaders and all that but Bob Meiser helped me out alot and suggested the 6wt for handling fish up to 15lbs. Also mentioned that the longer rod should be easier to cast with as I am a beginner at two handed rods. He explained Skagit and Scandi to me as well as the differences in grain weight and balancing your rod.

I think I will also pick up one of his reels as it will help balance the rod opposed to the Nautilus I was looking at. It is cheaper as well which helps in the decision making process.

A 6wt is fine for right now as I do alot of trout fishing as well, 2/3rds of the fishing season is for trout and the late season is for salmon.
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I used a Beulah 10'6" 6/7 on the Campbell River for Pink salmon. The rod can easily handle the salmon in the ocean, but, having the current also to contend with, adds a lot of strain on the rod.
I then bought a Beulah 11' 8/9, a world of difference, now I do not feel underpowered.
I just bought a Beulah 12'7" off Liv2spey on this forum, it is going to be my main off the beach for Pinks and Coho.
River casting for me is better served with a skagit head/line, typically around 50 grains heavier and shorter than the Scandi heads.
I use the Scandi heads for off the beach, usually less trees stc behind me ,and Ioverhead cast.
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