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Adjusting depth with mending, etc.

So, the river levels this year are going from low-and-clear to high-and-dirty every other week and I had a few questions about adjusting fishing depth.

I was fishing the higher water with 13' of t-11 and I felt I was able to get pretty deep with a heavier fly in the faster water. I fished this same setup with the river levels a few feet lower and obviously snagged up and lost my fly on one of the first casts. Went to a lighter, unweighted fly and it was fine in the slightly faster sections. Then, fishing it in slower "walking pace" water about 3-4ft deep, I'd snag up. I switched to 7" of T-11 and was still snagging every once in a while in the deeper area, and especially on the dangle in about 2ft of water closer to shore.

This particular run has been extremely productive for me, gear fishing, over the past few years, so I am curious if I should just be throwing an inside mend and allowing the line to swing faster and shallower? Or should I go for a lighter tip? Ideally, I'd like to have one tip I can use for most of my fishing, but the 13" of t-11 seems to be sinking too fast in the water that I usually get my fish in.
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Throw the line more downstream and less across. Get it swinging right away, use no mend.

But some water just doesn't swing well, often because the current is too slow.

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13' of T11 in low water on the oregon coast is a lot of tip IMO. I fish 2.5 or 5' Mow T11 with unwieghted flys in lower water. Unless Im fishing a spot thats fairly fast or supper deep I dont go up to a 10' or longer section of T11.

Since you have a 13' tip I would pick up a 5/5 MOW T11 tip and between the two you should be well covered for the coast. There is not 1 sink tip that can do it all if you want to fish every spot as effectivly as possible anyways.
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It may be somewhat counter intuitive but in higher water I have been successful fishing a lighter tip on inside corners and fishing it to the ultimate hang down. This is where fish will be traveling.

Many times when water is up and raging,no amount of tip(short of a bike chain) is gonna get you in there. Fish are opportunistic and will hold where the currents allow them to.

That being said, the last few years I have been fishing one tip for almost all my winter work.12-15 ft of T-14 and like Moethedog said, just playing with casting angle and fly size and weight. I am amazed how deep I can get it when I need to, and also how shallow I can fish it as well. Saves time messing around with tips and you are much more involved then just hucking it out there and hanging on.

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In my opinion, you should have a good assortment of sink tips as well as weighted and unweighted flies to cover each piece of water optimally. I know it's a pain in the ass changing out tips, but trying to force one tip to work everywhere will probably cost you some fish.
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When the water is high and dirty, the fish will sit close to shore in softer water. Its when the water is low and clear that fish will sit in heavier water, and you'll need a heavy tip to get down to them, in my experience.
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In my opinion, you should have a good assortment of sink tips as well as weighted and unweighted flies to cover each piece of water optimally. I know it's a pain in the ass changing out tips, but trying to force one tip to work everywhere will probably cost you some fish.
I agree with this.

Isn't this the purpose of having tips instead of a full line? It only takes about 3 minutes to change a tip, including tying the new fly on.

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It is much simpler to change flies than sinktips.

Even changing from a heavily dressed light-hooked fly to a sparsely tied-heavy shanked one can make a huge difference in working the lower strata.

I'd say that fishing deep gets more fish, but then I'm quite happy with a tug or a single fish when winter fishing----in spite of the gear I throw at them!
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13' of T11 in low water on the oregon coast is a lot of tip IMO. I fish 2.5 or 5' Mow T11 with unwieghted flys in lower water. Unless Im fishing a spot thats fairly fast or supper deep I dont go up to a 10' or longer section of T11.

Since you have a 13' tip I would pick up a 5/5 MOW T11 tip and between the two you should be well covered for the coast. There is not 1 sink tip that can do it all if you want to fish every spot as effectivly as possible anyways.
I've got a floating line that might splice well with a bit of T-11. I'm considering giving this a go after reading the other "Make your own MOW" thread that's near the top right now. I might just have to pick up some more T-11 and get creative too.

A little OT: Can I cut the end off of a short belly floating line and basically have a floating tip for my skagit for winter fishing? I might just end up cannibalizing the line and filling all the gaps in my tackle, lol.
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There's tons of options here.

1) Change tips. Move to a shorter tip, or a less dense one. Going from t14 to t11 is a big difference.

2) Setup your cast differently. Cast more across and lead the fly in the heavier water. As it gets close to shore you can either continue to pull it in towards shore or you can pull the rod tip out into faster current thereby moving the swing a bit further out as the belly straightens.

3) Use a dryline and a weighted fly....
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Get the MOW T11 set and be ready for whatever

Beside the rain impact or lack of rain impact, we have the impact of the Damn Dam operators releasing water not for fishers.

The MOW T11 set will enable you to basically/simplely handle any water level.


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So, the river levels this year are going from low-and-clear to high-and-dirty every other week and I had a few questions about adjusting fishing depth.

I was fishing the higher water with 13' of t-11 and I felt I was able to get pretty deep with a heavier fly in the faster water. I fished this same setup with the river levels a few feet lower and obviously snagged up and lost my fly on one of the first casts. Went to a lighter, unweighted fly and it was fine in the slightly faster sections. Then, fishing it in slower "walking pace" water about 3-4ft deep, I'd snag up. I switched to 7" of T-11 and was still snagging every once in a while in the deeper area, and especially on the dangle in about 2ft of water closer to shore.

This particular run has been extremely productive for me, gear fishing, over the past few years, so I am curious if I should just be throwing an inside mend and allowing the line to swing faster and shallower? Or should I go for a lighter tip? Ideally, I'd like to have one tip I can use for most of my fishing, but the 13" of t-11 seems to be sinking too fast in the water that I usually get my fish in.

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Beside the rain impact or lack of rain impact, we have the impact of the Damn Dam operators releasing water not for fishers.

The MOW T11 set will enable you to basically/simplely handle any water level.
As a college student, it's tough to toss $150 down on a set of MOWs. I'd like to have one or two straight sections of t-11 and then maybe get (or build) the 5x5 to cover most of my needs.

And yes, the Dam's on my local river are more concerned with agriculture. That being said, we are experiencing catastrophic floods in much of Oregon and with a pineapple express on the way, it might get a whole lot worse. So much for winter fishing
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When the water is high and dirty, the fish will sit close to shore in softer water. Its when the water is low and clear that fish will sit in heavier water, and you'll need a heavy tip to get down to them, in my experience.

+1 to what he said.

Edit: Here's the Rogue River at Agness which is about half way from Wm Jess dam to Gold beach ...... from 1,000 cfs to 50,000 cfs in a blink of an eye. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/or/nwis/uv?site_no=14372300

Here's the 'main gauge' map for all of Oregon: http://or.water.usgs.gov/

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from 1,000 cfs to 50,000 cfs in a blink of an eye.
Yeah, but look at the water temp, you should be able to skate some drys now with that temp

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