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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 11-26-2011, 04:50 AM Thread Starter
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Spey rod OK with a regular line?

Probably a dumb question, but I've never owned a spey rod so I have no clue.

Specificly SA coastal express taper 350 grain on a 15ft 10wt rod.




Can't buy a spey line for my needs (surf/kayak fishing) until I get some funds from selling an extra setup.
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It depends some on the rod but if you are going to overhead cast I think that line will work. Put it on there and give it a try. It will take a few minutes and you'll know one way or the other.

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PM'ed you a link to a East Coast Forum where they do a lot of fishing from Kayaks. If anyone knows, they probably 'been there, done that.'

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It depends some on the rod but if you are going to overhead cast I think that line will work. Put it on there and give it a try. It will take a few minutes and you'll know one way or the other.
Poppy has a great suggestion, nothing you can loss.. just try it out! Overhead cast probably OK for this line... but not spey cast...
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Thanks for the advice, I was just worried about overloading and damaging the rod, but after looking at spey rods using 900 grain lines, it sounds like a dumb question.
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Yeah, it seems like you'd be really underlining the rod. It seems like it would barely load, but I don't know how much a typical 10wt spey line weighs in grains.
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A long time ago... with my first speyrod - a 9140-3 I tried a #10 Steelhead Taper line and it could not have been more of a disaster. I was so frustrated I seriously considered throwing the whole rod, reel and line into the river! It was not until I put a real spey line on it that I began to learn to cast. If you want to spey cast - get a properly balanced (to your rod) spey line - it is the most important first step on the journey.

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will work but ...

350 gr is light for overhead casting on a 1o wt spey rod. It will work, but your arms will be casting it, not the flex of the rod. I would look for 550gr as a starting point for a 10wt spey.
What is the rod ?
Personally, I paddle around a lot with a spey rod in my yak, but cast it with my feet on the ground. I use 9 foot rods with short 20ft heads for yak fishing. I got a big catamaran yak this year and do spey a bit from that with the big rods, but standing up.

Got my first spey rod many years ago for salt water fishing, a tfo 14' 9wt. I used a 9wt line on it for a bit but eventually got a 12wt outbound.

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I tried it out today, seemed to work fine...can't say if im getting max distance or not, but new line will have to wait.
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Coastal Express seems to have only 28Ft head length so overhead casting it with 15Ft rod becomes "rushed" because short line loop unrolls fast so there is not much time to do proper "drift" (pushing rod tip back while line loop unrolls so it is possible to do longer acceleration to forward cast). Short line also shortens shooted casts because short line loop unrolls fast and fly line does not fly well anymore when it has straightened.

I like at least 40Ft head length for 15Ft rod.

When there is not much wind do the back cast as slow as possible and do the drift. With long rod fly hitting water, earth etc. should not be a problem and you can launch forward cast to a higher trajectory and gain distance.

Like many wrote 350gr is light. Your line weights 12.5gr/Ft so you can use T-11 to lenghten it and make it heavier.
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Can't buy a spey line for my needs (surf/kayak fishing) until I get some funds from selling an extra setup.
Yes, that Costal Express might be a little light and it might be a little short but since it's all the OP has it will do the job as he has found out.

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so you can use T-11 to lenghten it and make it heavier.
Bender's suggestion is a good one.

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ok, now what's a T-11?
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T-11 is tungsten coated line used for making sinktips. It weighs 11 grns per foot.

Airflo, Rio, SA, and some other line companies all have various T-lines in different weights.

The reason Bender said to use T-11 is because the 11 grns per foot is just slightly under the per foot weight of your Coastal Express.

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what's the max head length you'd recommend? I'd rather get a pre-made shooting head with a welded loop rather than trying to custom make one.
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The thing about Southern Cali surf fishing is that it actually involves "SURF"
Poppy at Red Shed probably sells the newer 30' lengths of T14 that come looped at both ends from the factory, loop that to an intermediate sinking running line, or use trilene big game #40 mono for running line if you are broke. normal floating spey heads WILL NOT WORK for Southern California surf fishing. You do not want any floating aspect to your running line, head, tips nada, anything that floats will get picked up by the waves and will be deposited at your feet every time.

30 feet of T14 weighs 420gr should work no problem on a 15' 10wt
when you get some money buy a standard fast sinking Rio Outbound 12,
honestly I prefer 30' of T14.

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