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Lining Up My First Switch(?)

Good day SpeyPagers!

Few of you may remember my introduction post some months ago(http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=47558). Anyways, I took a little hiatus since then, but am back.

So I've pulled the trigger on my first setup via the SpeyPages Classifieds. I am looking to grab a G.Loomis Native Run 7wt. 11' Switch and pairing it up with a Hardy St.Aidan. While not the reason I made the post, any thoughts on the combo?

Anyways, since I'm already pretty committed on the setup; I am wondering how to line it. I thought I had it all figured out, but now that I'm actually ready to make the purchase, I've realized how clueless I am. Here's where my many questions come..

My first instinct was to just purchase a Rio 7WT Switch line and call it a day. Granted these lines are made specifically for switch rods, I'm wondering if there is maybe a more versatile line out there for me?

Then there is all the talk of skagit lines; I thought I had a good idea of what a skagit line was.. But then while shopping around, I stumbled upon 'skagit', 'skagit short', and 'skagit short heads'. Would one of these skagit lines be more versatile and suitable for this setup?

As a general background, I will be fishing small creeks, small rivers, and medium sized rivers. The biggest I will probably ever touch locally, is Salmon River, which I see as being very seldom. The Genesee River and Oak Orchard River will be my most fished waters. I want to be able to cover as many of those types of waters with as few lines as possible for now.

*WHEW* -- That was a lot. Thanks in advance for any help guys.
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I fish a 7wt 11ft switch a lot. I have been using single hand spey casts almost exclusively. With the right set-up and technique, it is no problem to throw a 10ft tip of T-11 and a large profile fly 75 ft. For tips I use a compact skagit 360. For dry line or poly stuff I use a chopped back AFS that is 307 gr. I would caution against the RIO switch line.....ugg.
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Personally, I would go for two line setups: One for indicators and floating lines, One for throwing heavy sink tips.

The first scenario is for a switch line, steelhead taper, or scandi line. Lots of options here besides the Rio Switch. These will turn over polyleaders and indicator rigs but don't have enough power to turn heavy sink tips.

The second scenario is for a skagit line. For the 11ft rod I would keep the skagit head to 20ft or less. Rio Skagit Short or Airflo Skagit Switch are the popular options. These will turn over the heavy sink tips for swinging flies.

As far as making life easy, an option is to get a good running line and then two heads (scandi and skagit) to swap as conditions change. A head wallet to keep things organized is $20 or so and significantly cheaper than a spare reel or spool.
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Personally, I would go for two line setups: One for indicators and floating lines, One for throwing heavy sink tips.

The first scenario is for a switch line, steelhead taper, or scandi line. Lots of options here besides the Rio Switch. These will turn over polyleaders and indicator rigs but don't have enough power to turn heavy sink tips.

The second scenario is for a skagit line. For the 11ft rod I would keep the skagit head to 20ft or less. Rio Skagit Short or Airflo Skagit Switch are the popular options. These will turn over the heavy sink tips for swinging flies.

As far as making life easy, an option is to get a good running line and then two heads (scandi and skagit) to swap as conditions change. A head wallet to keep things organized is $20 or so and significantly cheaper than a spare reel or spool.
There really is a very simple solution-I had the same situation. Talk to Steve Godshall about building you a Sandit line. This is a line that Steve came up with to address this problem that you are having. The line is a combination of a Skagit and a Sandi line. When the pieces are together you have a Sandi and when you remove the looped apprx. 7ft. head you have a Skagit line. How simple is that. It really does work well.

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Great replies so far, thanks everyone!

So I realize I'm going to have to run two line setups, unless I went with Harley's advice. Unfortunately, I just don't think I'm ready yet for a custom line due to 1.) my inexperience and 2.) the time constraint there may be involved with getting a line built.

I've also learned that a store I have a ton of store credit with carries AirFlo lines and will even order specific lines for me that they do not carry. That being said, I have narrowed my field down to AirFlo products.

I was previously recommended a AirFlo Rage Compact 360 for poly work and a Airflo Skagit Switch 360 for sinktips. This may be what I roll with; Thoughts? Are these both considered heads that will require a running/shooting line or are these complete lines that I will attach straight to my backing?

Thanks again everyone.
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The Rage and Skagit Switch are both heads. You'll need a running line. Although I have not used it, lots of people like the 20lb Airflo Ridge Running Line.

Note that I have no experience with G.Loomis rods, however 360 grains seems light for a 7wt.
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The Rage and Skagit Switch are both heads. You'll need a running line. Although I have not used it, lots of people like the 20lb Airflo Ridge Running Line.

Note that I have no experience with G.Loomis rods, however 360 grains seems light for a 7wt.
RustE, thanks again for the quick reply! I was hoping they were both heads, so I can apply them like you recommended. I did a bit of research prior to, and indeed heard lots of good feedback on the Ridge line; It also works out that it's AirFlo and will cost me "nothing" to grab.

I also thought 360 grains seemed light, considering everything I read manufacture wise, had it more in the 425-475 window, but this is the second or third recommendation on the 360 grain. I'm not 100% on this, but think it may have to do with this specific rod(Native Run GLX) is labeled as a "Single Spey" versus a true switch? I may just be talking out my arse on that one though. I may have to make a separate post in regards to the rod and the grain window. Thanks again.
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There is no consistent method for rod ratings. Switch rods become more interesting as some manufacturers will use single-hand line ratings versus two-hand line ratings. Add in preferences of different casters. Add in different fishing conditions. That's a lot of answers on what line works the best.

360gr skagit is often recommended for a Scott A3 11ft 6wt switch rod. That's why I thought it might be a bit light for a 7wt. Someone else might say this rod throws heavier lines than its rating.

In many cases a scandi head is 30 grains or more lighter than a skagit head for a given rod. There is a thread in the Tackle forum discussing the Rage head; general theory seems to be one size lighter than a skagit for a given rod.
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Snowbee switch lines are amazing and are made from 200-450grains. The 400 would be great on that 7wt. That's what i use on my 7wt Beulah Platinum switch. It works great as an indicator line, which I use quite a bit, and can throw out some decent sized flies w/ tips as well. It's a skagit design, but the bulk of the weight is at the back of the head with a long front taper. This line works well on touch and go casts just like a scandi line does.
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Steve's name has already been brought up and I 'second' the motion. Steve's phone number is 541 840 2594. Won't cost you a penny more than an 'off the shelf' line, but the line will the 'exact' grain-age you need for the rod, type of flies, etc.
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Steve's name has already been brought up and I 'second' the motion. Steve's phone number is 541 840 2594. Won't cost you a penny more than an 'off the shelf' line, but the line will the 'exact' grain-age you need for the rod, type of flies, etc.
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More great replies, thanks again everyone.

As an update to my situation, the person selling me the rod is including a SA Single Hand Skagit line as a freebie. This gives me a little extra time on purchasing a new line(if necessary); THAT being said, I am emailing Steve as soon as I am done with this message. I am still hesitant on the idea of a custom line, as I'm not really sure what exactly it is I want in a line, but I assume an email won't hurt.
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hi elixer 38 for both scandi and overhand on those waters
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i ment elixer 380
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Airflo's skagit switch is my favorite line for a switch rod. You can fish it both summer and winter. I use my switch strictly as a two-handed rod so keep that it mind. Throw a 450gr switch head on it and fish away.
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