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If you've been into the spey scene for more than a week, you've undoubtedly noticed that pairing a spey rod with a suitable line is not as simple as buying a new pair of shoes. Nearly half the questions on Spey Pages involve just that issue. It takes a lot of trials and errors.

After years of trying lines (mine and others'), I decided to compile a stack of scribbled notes into a more useful form. I set up a notebook with labeled dividers, one for each of my spey rods, and started recording results, usually one or two written lines, on looseleaf lined paper. A typical entry has the date, the line, the sinktip or polyleader if any, how the rod felt, and the maximum cast. About that: When I make what seems like my best cast with the rod and line onstream, I tie a loose overhand knot in the running line. at home I measure the length with a five foot tape measure. Recently, I've also began recording the easy/casual distance, which may be more relevant. Knowing that the rod/line combo can cast 80 feet all day tells me more than that it cast 97 feet one of the rare times when I did everything right.

FWIW, I don't include the leader in the measurement of a floating/sinktip cast. With floating lines, I include the leader length as part of the measured cast length. I cast random hunks of leader with bright yarn indicators.
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If you've been into the spey scene for more than a week, you've undoubtedly noticed that pairing a spey rod with a suitable line is not as simple as buying a new pair of shoes. Nearly half the questions on Spey Pages involve just that issue. It takes a lot of trials and errors.

After years of trying lines (mine and others'), I decided to compile a stack of scribbled notes into a more useful form. I set up a notebook with labeled dividers, one for each of my spey rods, and started recording results, usually one or two written lines, on looseleaf lined paper. A typical entry has the date, the line, the sinktip or polyleader if any, how the rod felt, and the maximum cast. About that: When I make what seems like my best cast with the rod and line onstream, I tie a loose overhand knot in the running line. at home I measure the length with a five foot tape measure. Recently, I've also began recording the easy/casual distance, which may be more relevant. Knowing that the rod/line combo can cast 80 feet all day tells me more than that it cast 97 feet one of the rare times when I did everything right.

FWIW, I don't include the leader in the measurement of a floating/sinktip cast. With floating lines, I include the leader length as part of the measured cast length. I cast random hunks of leader with bright yarn indicators.
Great post! Wayne,

Shall we have a peak of your experiment records? that would be a great resource for beginners to start with... one of the things I have noticed is that even all the companies have provided the suitable line weight range in each rod in the market. There are still a lot of confusions due to the complexity of real fishing situation (what size of fly? what kind of sink tip? what style? all the factors counts). and because there are no real person behind the website can answer all those questions. so I think if everyone can pile some field test information here, that would be a wonderful resource. video would be even better! Personally, I totally agree with the idea of recording "casual distance". this is really a reliable index to tell what suitable "fishing distance".

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If a person is having a problem deciding on a line, there may be a easy solution. Just phone Steve Godshall or send him a email and explain to him the type of rod, the style of fishing that you wish to do and presto he will build you a line for your very own needs at a reasonable price. How easy is that. I now have three of his lines for my three wonderful Meiser rods. You will not need all your records although it sounds like you enjoy the project-so go for it. I will list Steve`s information below. It`s just that easy!

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Knowing that the rod/line combo can cast 80 feet all day tells me more than that it cast 97 feet one of the rare times when I did everything right.
Boy thats an excellent point.

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.... I set up a notebook with labeled dividers, one for each of my spey rods, and started recording results, usually one or two written lines, on looseleaf lined paper.
It sounds like a lot of work, and a very useful tool. If you can put all of that data into Excel (one workbook with a separate spreadsheet/tab for each rod), it would be even more useful. Just sayin.

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If you've been into the spey scene for more than a week, you've undoubtedly noticed that pairing a spey rod with a suitable line is not as simple as buying a new pair of shoes.
Now an observation ... Nook is NOT a runner or he wouldn't make such a remark. Do you pronate, supinate, or are you neutral? Do you land on your heel, mid-foot, or fore-foot? Do you need "neutral", "stability", or "motion control" shoes, or are you into the "minimalist" shoe thang. Oh, and did you want fries with that?

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If a person is having a problem deciding on a line, there may be a easy solution. Just phone Steve Godshall or send him a email and explain to him the type of rod, the style of fishing that you wish to do and presto he will build you a line for your very own needs at a reasonable price. How easy is that. I now have three of his lines for my three wonderful Meiser rods. You will not need all your records although it sounds like you enjoy the project-so go for it. I will list Steve`s information below. It`s just that easy!

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I generally agree with you, and I respect your opinion also.

However, what is this forum set up for if you simply can call and get answer?!

IMHO, discussion and learning by interacting with multiple casters is a huge benefit for beginners/ and experienced casters. Let alone the fact that some people are just enjoy the process of cutting and splicing lines... just like the beauty of fly tying...
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I have a much more simple method, works for me and the girls I go with.
a tab on the book for the rod, and a list of lines I like on it.
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I generally agree with you, and I respect your opinion also.

However, what is this forum set up for if you simply can call and get answer?!

IMHO, discussion and learning by interacting with multiple casters is a huge benefit for beginners/ and experienced casters. Let alone the fact that some people are just enjoy the process of cutting and splicing lines... just like the beauty of fly tying...
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As you have stated in regard to my comment and also my advice I also wish to commend your comments. If we were all rich and money was not a object then of coarse we would not need advice. The gear that we use in our hobby, namely Spey Casting is often fairly expensive, I could only wish that I was able to receive back some of the money that I have spent on purchases over the years that did not work. Farther to this-I wish that a person was able to enlighten me about a better way to go before I parted with my hard earned funds. If it is your desire to spend your funds in this manor please do so. I do totally agree that this forum is a great source for information. I just do not agree that a angler has to waste many hundreds of dollars to gain the knowledge that is so readily available to a angler if a person is made aware of the sources that are available to them if they do wish to use them. Bob Meiser, Steve Godshall and Poppy at the Redshed would never ever steer a person in the wrong direction. If a person does not wish to listen to their advice so be it. Just do not try to state that the resources were not there without any cost if a angler chooses not to call upon the resources that were made available to them. Also at no cost to the said angler. The beauty of still having a bank account that is in the black and not in the red is very good therapy as in tying a fly that works. Have a good day. This is only my thoughts and I am not trying to sway anyone over to my way of thinking. Be your own Judge.

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Clear as mud

This thread has the potential of becoming a pissing match so I'm going to add just one consideration - once.
Regardless of who builds a particular line for a particular rod it's a rare day that three individuals will get together and, at day's end, will agree that that rod / line combo is the best that it could be. We are all throwing lines with the same basic motion but that is where it ends.
While I agree that chances are far better of reaching your goal by talking directly to the builder, why wouldn't the same results be possible by calling Rio's 800 # and taking the advice of whoever answers? I know - apples vs oranges. My point is that (IMO) there are only two ways that readily come to mind for someone to get the perfect set up for THEMSELVES. The first is to obviously travel to the builder, get on the river with him and try out a few lines. In my estimation this would be the best way as the builder would see your strengths and weaknesses and would be able to compensate. The other option would be similar to the rod version of "try before you buy".
HOWEVER, several days later, a week, maybe a month you are finally feeling the love but at certain times, certain situations maybe a different grain weight...pretty quick you own a duffel bag full of lines, your wallet is empty and you know these are the best lines for certain situations but where DID that book full of notes go?
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Thanks "Six Rivers"!

That pretty much sums it up!

Don't forget to weigh and measure heads... sometimes they vary from what is advertised...

All who cast/fish on a regular basis are capable of "figuring it out"!
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