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post #16 of 30 (permalink) Old 04-17-2020, 06:18 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for your advice, We are following "stay home rule "in our town because the stupid virus, kids are home , I'll feel guilty if I out fishing , left kids playing video game at home.LOL so I would try to practice in backyard for now.
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My first switch/spey rod was a Redington 11'3" for 8wt. I paired it with a #8 Switch Chucker (520gr) and found it very easy to cast - in the river. I wouldn't spend much time trying to learn to cast on a lawn. Even a lake or pond is better to learn casts like the switch cast.
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One of the hardest lessons to learn, especially if you're coming from a single hand casting background, is how slow you need to make your sweep and power stroke. Go as slow as you can bring yourself to go, then go half that speed.
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My first switch/spey rod was a Redington 11'3" for 8wt. I paired it with a #8 Switch Chucker (520gr) and found it very easy to cast - in the river. I wouldn't spend much time trying to learn to cast on a lawn. Even a lake or pond is better to learn casts like the switch cast.
I agree 100%. On the water is where it happens. One problem I have at (my new home) is Im surrounded by water but I can't find a place where I can stand knee deep in water for an afternoon to work out rod line combos. The converse of this is I live on a golf course and Im surrounded by well manicured grass and I don't think working out rod line combos on grass will give me the whole story.
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My background is bass fishing,salmon trolling and steelhead centerpin fishing, now I tried two months of spey casting.Thank you for you tips,I will try that for sure.
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One of the hardest lessons to learn, especially if you're coming from a single hand casting background, is how slow you need to make your sweep and power stroke. Go as slow as you can bring yourself to go, then go half that speed.
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Thank you all for the great tips and suggestions, I appreciate it, Hope you guys are safe and healthy ! Tight line!
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Hey guys, I'm a newbie here, decided to learn spey , I bought a Sage X switch rod 8114 because the river near me is not that big, I thought 11ft will do the job, and I paired it with intouch Switch chucker Spey #8 line with 25 ft head, 520gr. During my practice I found out that the line is too heavy with the sinking leader and streamer, and difficult to cast. Is my setup incorrect? Please give me your advice,any help is appreciated.
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You are right Sir, I found out this problem, but didn't know how to fix it. Thank you so much for the great advice. I will make one for sure.
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Sorry,I didn't describe line correctly, that should be intouch switch chucker, that comes with short head 25 ft.
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Thank you all for the great tips and suggestions, I appreciate it, Hope you guys are safe and healthy ! Tight line!
Yeah - you bet. You mentioned streamer fly in your initial post.
Its so important to be as detailed, and accurate as possible. Especially over the internet.
Be safe.
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Let's see: there's the double spey (slow and graceful, like performing ti chi while standing in water), single spey (powerful but difficult to learn), snap-t, circle spey, snake roll (flashy but practical), and the wombat, which I couldn't even describe.
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The Chucker is a great line and capable of many chores... 1. I would recommend getting a lesson from a qualified teacher.. 2. Casting on grass with Spey rod has its limits as you have no anchor so most important to take your time on sweep and let your d-loop load the rod.
You can make a practice leader by tying a series of blood knots leaving tags on to grip the grass. Also you YouTube some Spey casting videos, but getting in the water with instructor will really speed up your learning curve.
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One of the hardest lessons to learn, especially if you're coming from a single hand casting background, is how slow you need to make your sweep and power stroke. Go as slow as you can bring yourself to go, then go half that speed.
This is the best advice. Slowing down and introducing your bottom hand are two difficult things to train yourself to do after years of single hand. The flip side of that is years of two handed casting has made me a way better single hand caster simply because I learned to pay attention to every aspect of the rod loading, where my line is, anchor placement, and power applied to your stroke. Two handed casting has also made me more acutely aware of single hand rod/line combination problems/perfection. Ill break out a single hand rod and after a while Ill think to myself "this combo is crap, I used to think it was the ticket". Then with some minor tweak of the line Im using (modify existing line or try another) Ill find the sweet spot. Its a constant evolution and it is something that always keeps you learning and digging for more.
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Great advice and well said...
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You are getting some very good tips here, I especially concur with the notion of slowing WAY down, and just generally using less force than you are probably inclined to use. I’ll add my 2 pennies: I totally get that your current learning situation is uniquely challenging, but while I understand your desire to “do something” right now, I would be very hesitant to do excessive lawn casting before having some casting fundamentals established. I could see potential to develop some muscle memory develop some casting idiosyncrasies, which would later need to be unlearned. The other tidbit I’d suggest is to practice and develop your skills on a floating line with an unweighted fly. It’s not that casting with sink tips or weighted flies is any harder, it’s just that in the beginning they can often encourage using excess force in your casting movements. Having a sinking fly or tip can also rush your timing, and that is the last thing you want in the beginning. Once you have a bit of a feel for the basics, it should be no big deal at all to cast with sink tips and bigger/heavier flys.
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Get a Nextcast line. Have Simon give you a recommendation and go with it (for my short rods I like the coastal) or have Steve Godshall build you a line for your rod. I love the intermediate that he built for swinging slow and deep. You will be happy with either one and both will out perform your Switch chucker.
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One of the hardest lessons to learn, especially if you're coming from a single hand casting background, is how slow you need to make your sweep and power stroke. Go as slow as you can bring yourself to go, then go half that speed.
Most definitely try to practice on the water, your casting speed especially. On the grass, even while using a grass leader. It's still not the same and quite a bit different.
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Hello.. I hope you´re getting on just fine with your switch setup. Switch rods could be a more difficult start in the doublehanded world, they´re generally a tad fast, and so they call for very precise timing in the cast. An ordinary 12-13footer is a more gentle start. I´ve used #9 Switch Chucker on my #9 Sage Method 11´9" switch rod. Remember that this line has a VERY strong delivery, lots of ( kinetic ) energy comes out to the tip of the line. It can behave just like when you cast your singlehander with no leader, if you´ve tested that you know that the line tip behaves funny. For the same reason. You can dampen this effect by using a leader with some mass, an ( Airflo ) Polyleader or a ( RIO ) Versileader. A heavier fly might also help. It IS a bit of a specialty line.
You´d be advised to use a compact casting stroke when using s switch rod, some people say that you should keep your hands in a ( imaginary ) small box in front of you. Excellent piece of advice! The short head of the Switch Chucker enhances this routine even more, or you will lose your anchor. Most instructional videos you´ll watch will refer to the ordinary, longer doublehander, using a different, "wider" technique which is of little use with your rod.
Once you understand your line, it´s a good idea and a fine line, given it´s restrictions. I was using my line for a couple of days now on a small river and with a 17´leader and a single hook #8, it was... challenging.. I could have eased the difficulties by using a floating or intermediate shorter leader, offering the same anchor and some mass to balance the line tip , but then you cannot leave these at home.
Just for fun, I copied and enhanced this idea, making an 21´head line for dropshotting large ( 2" ) weighted nymphs for early season fishing. Line was designed to match my #8 Method switch. Using about 50 grains of lead on the end and a 24 grain nymph and this compact casting technique, it covered the river just fine. Adapt your casting, use the correct leader up front and you´ll appreciate what you´ve got... Yours borano20
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Let's see: there's the double spey (slow and graceful, like performing ti chi while standing in water), single spey (powerful but difficult to learn), snap-t, circle spey, snake roll (flashy but practical), and the wombat, which I couldn't even describe.

Don’t forget about the Bonkers Spey.
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