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Hello everyone,
In France when learning the speycast we have learned to put the right foot slightly forward (if you are right-handed and vice versa if you are left-handed). When watching English or American videos it is very common to see the opposite; left foot forward for a right-hander and the reverse for a left-hander!
Who is right ? Are there several methods of launching?
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The Americans do it the correct way.
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I’ve tried it both ways. I’ve found that I’m equally capable of throwing some terrible casts off either foot. I’ve found that it feels more natural, for me, to cast with my right foot forward and right hand up. As soon as I start casting with my left hand up top everything gets scrambled, and foot position seems to be one of the least significant variables (too many other things going wrong).

Fwiw, when casting single handed I decidedly prefer the opposite. Casting with either hand, I absolutely prefer having an “open stance” with my opposite foot forward.
But that’s just me, not any statement on what’s “right” or “wrong”
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For a cast that is any degree downstream, my top river foot is forward slightly. If my cast is straight across the current, my feet are closer to neutral. No hard rule, it is current direction dependent.

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I worry more about getting my hips roughly aligned with my target. Ideally I like to have my down stream foot slightly forward, which allows me to rotate my hips and shoulders upstream more easily. Practically, I put my feet wherever I can get traction and try to keep myself from swimming.
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I’ve found that I’m equally capable of throwing some terrible casts off either foot.
This for me^^

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Practically, I put my feet wherever I can get traction and try to keep myself from swimming.
and especially this^^

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The Americans do it the correct way.
What about the Canadians?
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Whatever works best for you is the real rule, but this never means stay stuck in a rut and don’t experiment. Anyone that argues strenuously that there is only one ‘right’ way isn’t someone you probably shouldn’t take too much advice from anyway.

That said, what is easy to understand is that having the foot on the side you are casting forward is good for limiting/calibrating/blocking your rotation, and the opposite for giving you added ease of rotation. Both have their advantages and pitfalls, and both can be an expedient cure for certain issues that crop up. Standing neutral, with hips facing the target, another one.

Simon Gawesworth usually recommends an “open” stance when teaching the basics, even though we know he could do it standing one-footed on a pointy rock (and on either foot) just as well, and Travis Johnson a closed one. QED, mic drop, ‘Nuff said.

Ironically many of the most powerful casters like Travis seem to like the closed stance which superficially seems like the one that might limit your power more, but maybe for these guys (Travis used to be collegiate wrestler) blocking things in that way gives them an added confidence in the control when they “let the big dog eat”. But just guessing there.

Honestly, like people have said above, for real fishing you are going to get forced into casting a lot of times in crazy positions so best to not get too hung up on it. Some rivers like the Deschutes may tend to make you burst into laughter in certain places if you start thinking about the “correct” stance.

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and especially this^^



What about the Canadians?
I just discussed this with my father (Canadian) and he said the Canadian way is always the perfect hybrid of the two. Whatever situation arises, wherever they are, they have the Euros and Yanks beat. I then asked how this applies to me being 50% Canadian and I was informed that I was "too American" and that canceled out the remaining Canadian Goodness.
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I just discussed this with my father (Canadian) and he said the Canadian way is always the perfect hybrid of the two. Whatever situation arises, wherever they are, they have the Euros and Yanks beat. I then asked how this applies to me being 50% Canadian and I was informed that I was "too American" and that canceled out the remaining Canadian Goodness.
Thanks, Dad.
I love to hear a classic Letterkenny sitting-in-front-of-the vegetable-stand discussion of the topic!

But I’m sure whoever brought up the subject (gotta be Daryl) would first get ribbed for being too “soft”. Ice fishing is REAL fishing!
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Whatever works best for you is the real rule, but this never means stay stuck in a rut and don’t experiment. Anyone that argues strenuously that there is only one ‘right’ way isn’t someone you probably shouldn’t take too much advice from anyway.

That said, what is easy to understand is that having the foot on the side you are casting forward is good for limiting/calibrating/blocking your rotation, and the opposite for giving you added ease of rotation. Both have their advantages and pitfalls, and both can be an expedient cure for certain issues that crop up. Standing neutral, with hips facing the target, another one.

Simon Gawesworth usually recommends an “open” stance when teaching the basics, even though we know he could do it standing one-footed on a pointy rock (and on either foot) just as well, and Travis Johnson a closed one. QED, mic drop, ‘Nuff said.

Ironically many of the most powerful casters like Travis seem to like the closed stance which superficially seems like the one that might limit your power more, but maybe for these guys (Travis used to be collegiate wrestler) blocking things in that way gives them an added confidence in the control when they “let the big dog eat”. But just guessing there.

Honestly, like people have said above, for real fishing you are going to get forced into casting a lot of times in crazy positions so best to not get too hung up on it. Some rivers like the Deschutes may tend to make you burst into laughter in certain places if you start thinking about the “correct” stance.
The closed stance keeps you from over rotating and the open stance allows easier rotation but is harder to control that rotation and thus anchor.
Nothing to do with strength it’s all technique, Travis got longer when he backed off the power

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The closed stance keeps you from over rotating and the open stance allows easier rotation but is harder to control that rotation and thus anchor.
Nothing to do with strength it’s all technique, Travis got longer when he backed off the power
Exactly. I was kind of being rhetorical above. I like closed (also thumbs along the axis like he also recommends) precisely because it somewhat tames unruly rotations and if you ARE lined up right with your target that way make it almosts a no-brainer to put it right where you want it. It’s is definitely true that for most people once you are past the very beginning control is a FAR more important factor that raw power, whether you are a great caster or just mediocre like I am, and even FOR greater distance. I’m %100 sure this is just as true in wrestling.

I’m sure that plenty of people make the open and neutral stances work with fantastic control. Some of us however need the crutch!
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I belive spey casting is a right- and left-hand sport. Depending on the direction of the river, you might have to cast with your dominant hand on top or on the bottom.

As for casting: the most important advice I can give you: to help keep a lot of line off the water after your backswing, keep your top elbow pointed at the target, especially when executing a double spey.

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You can cast with your feet however you want. Feet have nothing to do with it. Some people cast backwards for fun, some people cast behind their back, some people snap behind their back, etc. It doesn't matter. You can make the line and rod do anything you want no matter how your feet are placed.
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Foot placement for someone new to two handlers can make a difference. I still suck at two hand casting, and placing my feet properly for the cast I am doing at the time - makes a difference.
Some folks are just so good that foot placement is not an issue.. I am not that guy.
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I do find foot placement matters. Although, as it has been said, we often don’t have the luxury of choice. While it’s possible to make good casts from any stance, I definitely can make better casts with a more ideal stance.
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