Robert would roll over in his grave if he was dead at hearing what he is doing as a figure 8 lol.
Climbing curve means, as he’s doing the lift the rod tip is lifted towards where he is going to cast or the target.
As I stated lines follows rod tip so why would you lift away from the target to make it harder to swing the line to the target thus increasing slack in the line. Another issue that happens when lifting away from the target to the inshore bank is the propensity to pull the line around with the top hand which cause all kinds of other issues with one of them being not having control of the line and thus no control as to where the anchor goes.
Admittedly this applies far more to longer lines, but good casting is good casting.
Yeah, that wasn’t it in the video.
When done correctly with correct timing the figure of eight style does not create a crumpled anchor and the anchor is lined up, but it is true that the fly lands later. I think this type of cast has even been advocated for keeping your dry fly dry when casting in tight quarters - if you are fast enough.
I don’t see the point of bashing a cast because of problems when doing one incorrectly since every technique has similar issues and pitfalls. There probably were a whole set of reasons this style worked well with the older, heavier gear and lines Falkus was using. Seeing one video is enough to convince anyone that the gear was different. Pity they all got removed from youtube, which is kind of crazy because it is nearly impossible to actually find and buy the original programs whose copywrite was being protected.
I’m not advocating it for general use, only as a possible solution to a specific problem created by using a SUBOPTIMAL setup for doing doing a particular spey cast. Don’t get me wrong, I will usually during a day of fishing do a dozen or two snake rolls and a bunch of single speys even with a Skagit head and the heaviest of tips. I just feel like these aren’t “real” snake rolls and single speys with that head.
But they do get the job done and sometimes are even the best casts in tricky situations.
The reason for using a scandi setup to learn the single spey is not that it will be easier, but because it will teach you the right lessons about the cast - precise timing, the smooth acceleration on the turn and a delicate touch and go, not to mention NO dip. AND since you will not be trying to trick a setup that was IMO never intended to do really graceful single spey casts in the first place you may get good results following all the videos etc on how to do it. Simon said it in right the video posted above, yes you can do one with a skagit head but why? You CAN put ketchup on your ice cream too. As Crocodile Dundee once said “you can live on it, but it tastes like s***!”
I’m also convinced that if the OP learns it on a scandi setup first and really gets it there when he come back to the skagit it will suddenly work and make sense.