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post #16 of 41 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 01:24 PM
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A while back I started using a 18' piece of 30# before my 3' Maxima leader - everything got better.
18' or 18"?
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I'm usually using four foot leaders with sink tips for winter steelhead. My dirty water leader is a single strand of .0148" P-Line CXX (nominally 12 pound test, but probably much stronger), with a triple surgeon's loop at the top end. (I wouldn't trust a perfection loop there, in a tug-of-war with a good tippet-to-fly knot.)

For "steelhead green" I use fluorocarbon leaders such as this: 10" of .017" Orvis mirage, 16" of .015" Mirage, and 22" of .011" Mirage. Perfection loop at the upper end; sections joined with uni-knots. But wait - there's more. Below the loop is a short, sealed wrap of butterscotch thread. Why? To identify the tippet diameter; other colors for other strengths. And there's a short wrap of black thread between the top and middle sections, to identify it as fluorocarbon.

I enjoy designing and tying leaders and leader systems, obviously.
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4' of Maxima #12 with non-slip loop knot at each end for me. K.I.S.S. and all...

If yer running a tip you want to get down with the least amount of weight right? Any bigger diameter tippet just slows that process.
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post #20 of 41 (permalink) Old 04-23-2019, 07:38 PM
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2/3 rds butt section and step down by max of .003 for the last 1/3 going to the fly.

Using straight mono is good. But if my leader diameter is in the verge of not being able to turn the fly over it is an issue and lands in a big pile.

You have to remember that thinner diameter leader, whatever it is sinks faster. Which is why I prefer the above method for getting deep as possible and laying out the cast straight.

Also, leader length should take fly density and sink rate( longer leaders requires fly sinks faster than tip$ as well as swing approach. With Winter work, broadside approach is preferable. If I want to set up a cast for a broadside swing. I want to make sure that they see fly first not the tip. Margin is larger with longer leaders.

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... nothing to do with turn-over since Skagit heads pack plenty power for that - only that a gradual transition in diameter will make for stronger knots. It has happened too often that the [thinner] tippet when looped to the heavier butt-section would break on a strong hit . Popped-off at the loop too often.
It does though... if you decrease diameter from tip to leader with thin diameter leader and heavy fly... you won’t turn it over. Energy isn’t efficiently transferred through the line... and if the difference is really great you will end up fraying your sink tip, and wearing your leader. Not saying you can’t cast it.but....it’s only hardly noticeable because leader is 3 ft.

Rule of thumb for leaders is not to step down in diameter over .003

Most of the people I know have terminal tippet of 20-25lb especially if you are fishing a barbell Eyed intruder.

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As the fishiest MF I know, I have never popped a tippet from a butt section. Then again I don’t loop stuff. if you can’t tie a blood knot cleanly you shouldn’t be on the river. Learn 2 bloodknot bro
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As the fishiest MF I know, I have never popped a tippet from a butt section. Then again I don’t loop stuff. if you can’t tie a blood knot cleanly you shouldn’t be on the river. Learn 2 bloodknot bro
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Foo shizzle, also I throw long lines none of that short head silliness anymore....but we all start somewhere.


Skagit is training wheel, every one should aspire to cast long belly

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Foo shizzle, also I throw long lines none of that short head silliness anymore....but we all start somewhere.


Skagit is training wheel, every one should aspire to cast long belly
I’ve been throwing short heads and light tips for a long time and I catch plenty of fish. Maybe I need a B12 shot and your doctors phone number.
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When you’re ready to move beyond 6th grade casting. Give my doc a call, a man as sensitive as you and of weak casting skill will need to be optimized.
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3-4ft of 18lbs fluorocarbon right onto the sink tip. I hate the 25lbs mono loops -- if you dont change them often they break. When the sink tip gets cut into, snip it off and re-weld or tie a new one.

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I will use seaguar sts in 17lb. On occasion, but not without buttsection.

Welding a new loop on a sinktip isn’t too big of an issue. It’s weakening the leader and losing a fish that bothers me.
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When you’re ready to move beyond 6th grade casting. Give my doc a call, a man as sensitive as you and of weak casting skill will need to be optimized.
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When you’re ready to move beyond 6th grade casting. Give my doc a call, a man as sensitive as you and of weak casting skill will need to be optimized.
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