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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 12-29-2018, 10:05 PM Thread Starter
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Recently I got into the trout Spey game and acquired a Loomis IMX PRO 3wt troutspey rod. The rod is a beast for a 3 wt and is the longest in its class at 11’11”. The issue I’ve come across is the length of the scandi lines. Most scandi lines are in the 22-24’ range which feels too short for this rod. Looking at the guide on the Meiser website the scandi head should ideally be 2.5x the length of the rod.

The only two lines I’ve found in this length are the RIO Scandi short at 29’ and the Airflo scandi compact at 28’. Does anyone have experience with these lines and recommendations as to which way to lean?

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Call Steve Godshall and have him build you a line. Just tell him what you need. I have three of his lines and they are all spot on. Cost is same as buying a line off the rack.


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Recently I got into the trout Spey game and acquired a Loomis IMX PRO 3wt troutspey rod. The rod is a beast for a 3 wt and is the longest in its class at 11’11”. The issue I’ve come across is the length of the scandi lines. Most scandi lines are in the 22-24’ range which feels too short for this rod. Looking at the guide on the Meiser website the scandi head should ideally be 2.5x the length of the rod.
Not sure why you say 'most scandi lines are in the 22-24' range, that's pretty short for a full head, what lines are you looking at ?

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The only two lines I’ve found in this length are the RIO Scandi short at 29’ and the Airflo scandi compact at 28’. Does anyone have experience with these lines and recommendations as to which way to lean?
Those are both good lines. Not sure where you are, but, I was under the impression the Airflo compact was out of production with limited availability, at least in the US, so that would definitely favor the Rio.
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I meant to say most trout Spey lines such as the SA Spey lite and rio Intouch scandi line. These lines have 22’ heads whether integrated or just the head. The airflo scandi compact is still available on airflo webpage and at most trout shops I’ve checked out in Montana. I fish the Missouri River because I live close by. The only other trout Spey lines I found in the 240 grain are the rio scandi short and the airflo scandi compact.
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I have the same rod and I use the 23ft 4wt Rio Scandi head (I think it’s a 230 grain or 240 grain) and a 10ft 55 grain floating tip or 3ips sink tip of the same grain weight and 4ft of tippet and a double wooly bugger/leech setup and i think it casts great. For skagit I use a 20ft 275 grain Rio skagit max short with the same 10ft tips and it’s perfect for me. Tried an airflo skagit scout and i kept blowing my anchor. Once I learn to tighten up my stroke I’m sure it will be fine but for now I’ll keep it to the 23ft Scandi and 20ft skagit max short.

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I have the same rod and I use the 23ft 4wt Rio Scandi head (I think it’s a 230 grain or 240 grain) and a 10ft 55 grain floating tip or 3ips sink tip of the same grain weight and 4ft of tippet and a double wooly bugger/leech setup and i think it casts great. For skagit I use a 20ft 275 grain Rio skagit max short with the same 10ft tips and it’s perfect for me. Tried an airflo skagit scout and i kept blowing my anchor. Once I learn to tighten up my stroke I’m sure it will be fine but for now I’ll keep it to the 23ft Scandi and 20ft skagit max short.
Are you using the rio scandi short head or the intouch rio scandi line? What kind of running line are you using?
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Barrio SLX WF have 33ft heads which weight 125br...270gr and Switch WF 33ft heads are 300gr...470gr.

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30lb lazar line and the shooting head. Bought the Scandi from Gorge fly shop...last I saw it was still on sale for $25 or so. Both the Scandi and skagit setups shoot like crazy but not the easiest to strip. Not horrible to strip when the water and air temps are warmish but when it’s cold out not the easiest to handle with cold hands. Haven’t tried an integrated line yet on the rod yet. Have a sa Spey lite skagit 275 that I’ll try one day but need to tighten up my casting stroke first. for now I’m pretty happy with the head and running line system.

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Call Steve Godshall and have him build you a line. Just tell him what you need. I have three of his lines and they are all spot on. Cost is same as buying a line off the rack.


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I could offer no better advice, I use Steve's lines on almost every rod I own from 11 1/2 foot to 15. Great lines from an even greater guy!

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In every case where you are uncertain about the off-the-rack options, but most especially for weights where you have few options, Steve is the way to go. You will not only get a perfect line for your rod for a decent price, and quickly, but you can have a conversation with him about your goals beforehand.

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Great idea, I’ve reached out to him. He will build me one. May be tough to get a scandi line in the 2.5x length of the rod at 240 grains which is recommended for my 3wt. But he said it’s doable. I’m wondering if I should also get one scandoid head for use with faster polyleaders and heavier streamers, or would i need a heavier rod, like a 5 wt?
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I have three 11 1/2 foot Hardy Swift rods all identical for the purpose of outfitting people. All of them use lines from Steve, the lines are heavier than you need but they have 37 foot heads with his integrated vinyl running / shooting line behind. These are great lines that minimalize the stripping, they also work well enough that I have seen many people learn to Spey cast using this length of rod and head.

In the hands of an experienced caster they (rod & line combo) will reach out 90 foot when needed, of course then there's some stripping involved This business of the line needing to be an exact length to match a rod puzzles me, a 35 or 37 foot head on a rod nearly 12 feet long is actually quite short.
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I've been fishing a 23ft rio trout spey head 12ft versileader 3-5ft of tippet almost 40 feet of line out of the rod before throwing a single bit of rubbing line. what really did it for me was thinking slow and then going even slower than that .
having said that i have a couple of Steves lines and as has been said they are always sweet on the rod they were designed for.
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Great idea, I’ve reached out to him. He will build me one. May be tough to get a scandi line in the 2.5x length of the rod at 240 grains which is recommended for my 3wt. But he said it’s doable. I’m wondering if I should also get one scandoid head for use with faster polyleaders and heavier streamers, or would i need a heavier rod, like a 5 wt?
Yes, for sure he can. I even have a few from him that are below 220 gr. Steve has given me a number of useful tips on rods, and even let me watch in the shop while he epoxied a few wraps - very helpful for someone who was having trouble getting it right on the kitchen table. But I have never, and probably will never, ask him how he manages to do the lines. I’m just glad he can.

That last question is exactly the one to ask Steve. And he has said, on occasion, when he wasn’t able to do it.

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