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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 10-17-2009, 04:31 AM Thread Starter
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Lines for skagit settup?

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I'm very new to all of this and was wondering what a good skagit line settup would be? Is the RIO skagit line with various tips a good option? Or should I look into getting a running line and different heads and what-not? Again I am very new to this and am very confused with all the different line options out there. Any input regarding this matter would be highly appreciated.

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I myself am new to all things spey. So I know where you are coming from. If Skagit is your choice the Rio or the Airflo skagit heads are both good choices. I have both and I like them equally. I am using the shooting heads with a running line. I did this instead of purchasing the full Skagit line. I figured that for the price of the full line I could buy 2 of the shooting heads. Gave me the ability to try out more that one line. I think the Skagit full line runs about $100 and for that money you can get two shooting heads. Am I tight or what. Anyway, I believe regardless of weather you are using the head only or the full line I believe you will need a cheater. The cheater will be necessary to achieve a total line lenth of 3-3 1/2 times the lenth of the rod. The heads on the Rio lines are I believe 27' long and the Airflo are 25'. The cheater makes up the difference.
I also include in the total lenth my sink tip. So the head of the line + the cheater + the sinktip = 3-3 1/2 times the rods lenth not including the leader. This I believe is the guideline. This is not written in stone, just a rough guideline.

I myself have been spey casting for about 4 months. The best thing I have done so far (From a learning aspect) was to attend a Spey Clave of some sort. Also everone will tell you get some on the water lessons from an instructor. I can see the value in doing that so I myself am going to get a lesson in the spring.
Watch the videos, I have not gotten the Skagitmaser DVD yet, but it seems to come highly recomended. Other videos are available.
Well I think I have rambled long enough here. But ask questions the people here are a wealth of info.

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Thanks,
Another question I had was this, Can you use floating tips on skagit style lines for swinging with a floating line? Thanks

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Yes you can. Where I live top water for steelhead is relatively unheard of but out your way I believe they call it skating.
Tight Loop and Ling Lines,

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Hey Matt,

I mostly agree with Scout about getting heads and running line opposed to the full lined skagits... I have both Rio skagit and airflo compact skagits and I prefer the Rio in higher weights and the airflo when large flies aren't a factor. I find the rio just has a slight advantage with turning over larger/heavier flies. I disagree on needing a cheater unless your into a rod in the 14' range I would just cast the regular head by itself first, some people enjoy a shorter casting stroke. Also the airflo compacts vary in size depending on the grain window, so depending on the rod you have, that will dictate weather or not you may need a cheater, i bought the cheater pack and i DONT use them. Also, if you get running line and a head you can throw on a scandi head in the future its just a lot more versatile, also if you decide to get another rod in a different weight class you dont need to buy a full reel and new line etc. just a diff. head.

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With economic meltdown going with the heads makes even more sense

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Hey,

I'm very new to all of this and was wondering what a good skagit line settup would be? Is the RIO skagit line with various tips a good option? Or should I look into getting a running line and different heads and what-not? Again I am very new to this and am very confused with all the different line options out there. Any input regarding this matter would be highly appreciated.

Thanks
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It seems to me that new full line Skagits this past year became very expensive.

So buy a good running line and a couple of heads. You will not only have a Skagit Head, you can also have an AFS head for your rod.

Also, with most of our waters, we don't need a full line up of sinking tips/leaders. An intermediate sinking and a fast deep sinking may be all that you need. You can buy another sink rate tip/sinking leader if you need it.

I went away from the complete set of sinking tips/leaders in the last year or so. I realized that I seldom if ever used anything besides intermediate (in various lengths) and the fast sinking tip (again maybe in various lenghths). My son fixed an assortment of T14 mini heads in various lengths from 2' to 7' for me, and they fill in the voids between the intermediate and fast sinking tips and leaders.

Rio's older 7' Versi Tip Leader in the intermediate weight is the #1 sinking tip/leader I use with my AFS Heads, Skagit Heads, Outbound lines and whatever in streams, rivers, lakes and coastal casting. I buy 6 at a time and reorder when I get down to two intermediate 7' leaders.

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Thanks. Are the Airflo custom tips good? Because you can get two tips with one length of sinking line without putting on your own loops?I'm getting a 13ft deer creek so would that mean the cheaters wouldn't be necesary? Also is the grain weighting on the deer creek rods including the tip along with the head for recommended grain weight? And what are good reels for under $200 that will hold 150yds of backing and 7/8wt line?

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Matt,

the airflo custom tips are probably a little on the heavy side if your just getting started spey casting. I'd stick with a type 3 or type 6 dc tip from rio.

As far as your rod and a cheater, One of my rods is a Loop yellow 13'2 and I do not use a cheater with it. I bough the cheater like rio's sheet said i should and i found i cast much better without it. I also found there recomendation on line to be VERY light. It said 500 gr. with 5' cheater and I'm chucking 600 adn 650 sans cheater. I prefer the stroke, but it may not be for you. Body mechanics and height also play a part. But if you dont get one you can still cast. if you decide you need a little more pull on your back cast, then add a cheater. or borrow one or w/e.

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thanks, that sounds good guess I'll get the type 3 for summer, the type 6 for winter, and a floating for summer also.
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for a 7/8wt 13ft rod, what size Lamson velocity 4 reel should I get? 10,11,12wt? Must hold at least 150yds of 30lb dacron, preferably 200yds though.
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From personal experience its better to get a little too big than a little too small. for my 8 weight rod I've ordered a CLA 6 wich is a 41/4" diameter so i would go with something around a 10 weight. but other opinions may vary.

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Another nice inexpensive reel is the Orvis Battenkill Large Arbor Big Game VI. Currently on sale for $215.
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Another nice inexpensive reel is the Orvis Battenkill Large Arbor Big Game VI. Currently on sale for $215.

That is the reel I have on my 7/8wt St Croix Avid 13' Spey rod. It's got about 150yds of #30 dacron backing, 90' Airflo running line, Airflo 510gr skagit head and the leader with a bit of room to spare (but not much).

It's a solid reel for the money.
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4 is the size of the Lamson velocity. Get the hard alox model, nice tough finish. I have the 4 on my 8/9 deer creek and it holds plenty of backing. You might try a 570 compact skagit for the 7/8.
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Ok thanks. From what I've read online, a heavier reel is better so that it will balance out the heavy tip of the spey rod. Is that accurate? If so than would the CLA 6 be good?
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