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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 10-02-2009, 02:23 PM Thread Starter
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Question What cast is this????

It may just some kind of reverse circle spey or something, but I can’t find any video of it.

My casting arsenal is fairly limited. Last week I was fishing river right with a pretty nasty downstream wind. That means double spey, a cast I have never really loved because it seems to lose a lot of energy on me. I throw out a particularly bad DS (i.e., not worth fishing out and that is coming from someone who fishes out nearly all of his bad casts). It was not my first cast like that either. Purely out of frustration and without really thinking about it I threw the line in a circle toward the opposite bank, landing my anchor downstream (and thus not hooking myself) and then automatically loaded a D loop that was far superior to what I usually get on a double spey with the resulting shot across the river that went ca-chunk when there was a lot of power still going out when I reached the end of the line I couldn’t get out with my DS.

I started playing with it and as the river level was pushing me closer in toward shore I had to bring the loop around and in front of me to keep my line off the rocks. But I’m using a pretty aggressive shooting head, so it was loading the rod even better (similar to a Skagit cast).

Anyway, as embarrassing as it is to admit, I simply don’t know what the name of my new go-to downstream wind cast is. Here is a professionally rendered diagram I commissioned.

http://www.speypages.com/gallery/dat...wbell_spey.JPG.

1) RR, downstream wind line out casting right hand up
2) start rod with tip near water toward opposite bank excellerating as you come over the top
3) continue to move the rod tip to parallell with just upstream from your body
4) Then bring back to D loop just like a double spey (that doesn't suck)
5) Standard forward cast.

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 10-02-2009, 02:34 PM
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you've combined a spiral lift (which starts towards opposite bank vs snake which heads initially towards near bank), with a double spey. Spiral double spey

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Please correct me if Iím wrong. You start the cast from on the dangle RR downstream wind, you lift your rod straight up to around 45 vertical, do a reversed snake roll or spiral, starting the snake roll/spiral away from RR bank and then bring the rod upstream from you and then swing it back downstream and do a regular forward cast.

Thatís sounds a lot like a cast that is used here in Scandinavia. I donít know the English phrase, you could call it an ďAerial Double SpeyĒ. Itís essentially a double spey started with a reversed snake roll, only without the line touching the water at any time after the initial reversed snake roll, and with only the leader touching the water downstream of you as you start your forward cast. A good cast for RR downstream storm, little or no back space and large directional changes.

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Please correct me if Iím wrong. You start the cast from on the dangle RR downstream wind, you lift your rod straight up to around 45 vertical, do a reversed snake roll or spiral, starting the snake roll/spiral away from RR bank and then bring the rod upstream from you and then swing it back downstream and do a regular forward cast.

Thatís sounds a lot like a cast that is used here in Scandinavia. I donít know the English phrase, you could call it an ďAerial Double SpeyĒ. Itís essentially a double spey started with a reversed snake roll, only without the line touching the water at any time after the initial reversed snake roll, and with only the leader touching the water downstream of you as you start your forward cast. A good cast for RR downstream storm, little or no back space and large directional changes.

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Not exactly. Bear in mind this is something I happened to stumble across and not something I was doing on purpose the first time. Meaning it may well be a better cast if I did a lift first, making it more of a reverse snake or spiral, but I wasn't. I wouldn't mind an opinion or two on that question either.

But what I was doing was starting with the rod tip less than a foot off the surface then doing a loop starting with a straight line toward the far shore (fairly slow) and excellerating as it went up and through the curve. That would be the basic cast. It seems a lot like a reverse snake roll without the lift. Bringing it more and more upstream at the end was an adjustment for fishing conditions (I needed more load on the rod when I was waist deep less than a rod's length from shore and, OK I'll admit it, after breaking a hook on the rocks).

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hey Mook...
call it the MOFO spey
cuz you're getting the mo-fo OUT.
sounds like a skagit circle with a dump?
caught a 9#r on my 3/4/5 Meiser today from river right, with a downstream wind that kept shifting around to my back. As long as the hook stays away from you and it lands straight...? go get 'em pal

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IMO it's jelly roll for upstream wind

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sounds interesting but other options if you don't like the double spey and are using shorter shooting head line systems (skagit).

My favorite cast now is the river right perry poke where you slow lift with the rod canted over your shoulder so line and fly land just behind you with fly a rod length downstream - you then do a poke into the river - you can either poke in the direction of your forward stroke or for more load poke by dropping the rod tip to your upstream side - then just perform the standard D loop formation and forward cast.

Option 2 is a cack handed circle spey

Option 3 is a circle spey on your downstream side - looking downstream just do a slow circle cast towards the right bank and accelerate under until rod is pointing at your target and close to the water- then perform D loop and forward cast - this takes a bit more back room as the fly will land in back of you - distance depending on how you perform the cast
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ooopps ???.... senior moment...?? Ignore option 2 which would be for upstream wind!
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If you want to achieve an anchor point further out in front, you could try Hugh Falkus' contrived loop cast. This involves bringing the rod across the body to perform a cack handed roll cast out in front - but at half power so the loop stalls leaving the fly/ leader [& for safety a couple of yards of line] downstream of you but with the loop extending out across the river in front of you to a pointed loop before looping back to its tip downstream of you as described above.
The current will carry the loop downstream [which avoids the line hitting you] as you now go back over the right shoulder to create a D loop [but which extends only a very short distance behind you as the anchor point is much further in front as you pick the line up from the forward contrived loop] &, assuming you foot/ body position has been correctly set up for the direction you want to cast, then let fly in the usual way on the forward stroke to complete the cast.
This works very well where you are fishing/ wading close to a heavily overgrown bank due to the much reduced size of the rearward projecting D loop when compared with a normal Double Spey cast.

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suggests what Ed Ward calls a downstream Perry Poke. It is Rick's favorite and a good choice for this situation.

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