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Advanced Thoughts On Target Placement

Those that have read Simon Gawesworth's book Spey Casting are familiar with his concept of an imagined orange line from caster to target.

After several years of trying to always be perfectly on the orange line, I came to realize that the target changes during most casts. Here are my thoughts.

There is more than one target during a Spey cast; in fact, there are often three. They are the original orange line, the landing point of the fly line tip (the nail knot) after the repositioning move, and the final anchor location after the completion of the D-loop stroke. The three will seldom be identical. The final anchor position and D-loop formation determine the path the forward stroke must take.

I believe newer Spey casters will benefit from this realization. Do you agree?

As a point of information the repositioning move is the second move of most Spey casts, the one that moves the fly line from the dangle to a position from which a dynamic roll cast can be made toward center river

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Good point

Your point follows the concept of adaptive management. There are just so many blooming things that can impact a cast e.g. current, wind, streambank vegetation, rocks, etc. that is seems to become shooting at a moving target. I don't think the fish mind much as long as the drift is somewhat cleaned-up before the fly gets to a "players" station.
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Hi Bob,

I agree with your comments. Let me add that the critical factor in spey casts is the 180 degree principle which says that you position the anchor and D/V loop 180 degrees opposite the target and then make the forward cast parallel to the anchor (railroad tracks).

You are correct that your target line does not always line up perfectly with the anchor/D loop and in that case your anchor/D loop dictate your new target line.

With practice, a caster will be able to place the anchor/D loop in alignment with the intended target line.

One option to save a cast when things are not lined up is to use a perry poke to allow the caster to realign the anchor/D loop to the intended target line.

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Those that have read Simon Gawesworth's book Spey Casting are familiar with his concept of an imagined orange line from caster to target.

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As a point of information the repositioning move is the second move of most Spey casts, the one that moves the fly line from the dangle to a position from which a dynamic roll cast can be made toward center river
First, I haven't read Simon's book, but, would the repositioning move be:
For a double spey; would it be crossing the arms, or uncrossing the arms just prior to forming the D loop for the forward cast?

Or the inital lift of the line to get things moving?


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Bob, I think I get your point, but asking beginners to think about 3 targets may be asking too much. Simpler is better. If one sets the anchor more-or-less in the right place, and aligns the D-loop well enough, then the cast should go (all other things properly executed). Yes, anchors can slide around, especially on waterborne casts, but in my book that's a detail ... not an essential basic for completing all casts.

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The final anchor position and D-loop formation determine the path the forward stroke must take
again, sorry to be critical, but you asked for feedback ... "must" is an overly rigid word, as anyone throwing a square cut / chip cast can attest. The anchor and D-loop alignment will determine the optimal path of the forward stroke, but not the only one. Elliptical casts add wrinkles, too

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Thanks to all for your comments.

My goal is for beginners to not obsess over the original target. A caster is best served by casting 180 degrees from the D-loop and anchor alignment, wherever that is, as Akcaster confirms.

Stumpy, I agree the fish don't mind where your forward cast ends, in many cases.

Prometheus, there are 6 steps in every Spey cast. S L R S P F
Start, lift, reposition, sweep, pause [except in continuous load cast], forward cast. The reposition is the move that brings the line into a location that allows the caster to execute a dynamic roll cast toward the target. For example, the snap of a snap T cast repositions the end of the fly line and leader about one rod length upstream of the target line (orange line). This is good placement for a forward cast to the target

For a double Spey the crossing of the arms brings the end of the fly line to a point about one rod length downstream of the angler, which is good placement for a dynamic roll cast to the target. Uncrossing the arms is the beginning of the sweep move into a D-loop.

Simon's book is terrific, and highly recommended.

Steve, I appreciate your comment. My purpose is to make casting simpler, by informing new casters that the original target line is not a must follow dictate. Why is it not simpler to take what the D-loop and anchor give you and make your forward cast 180 degree from them?

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SIMPLIFIED Thoughts on Target Placement

I wonder if the above would have been a better title for this thread? Simpler was certainly my goal.

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Bob, anchor and 180 degree are simple, if you can communicate this without invoking 3 targets. The final anchor is the net result of initial placement, water movement (river flow) and dragging during sweep and D formation. That's a lot to think about for a beginner. I think simply a focus on placement (as a looser and ultimately more dynamic concept) for beginners is sufficient for the anchor portion. Of course 180 is essential, my reaction to "must" was only that one word, as other possibilities for the forward cast and rear D elliptical exist besides 180 degrees.

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