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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 09-22-2009, 02:24 PM Thread Starter
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Switch rod weights?

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so, what I've read so far about Spey rods suggests that the weight rating on a Spey rod is equal to one or two weights up on a single hand rod. Thus a 7/8 Spey rod is the rough equivalent of an 8/9 or 9/10 single hand rod. Is this accurate, and furthermore, does this apply to switch rods as well?

I'm looking into buying a Beulah switch, but am not sure whether the 6/7 or 7/8 would be a better choice. I will be fishing great lake tribs, mainly those of lake Ontario for steelhead. There are runs of chinook as well, so I'd like to have a chance at landing one if I hook into one, but main use will be steel and maybe smallies in the summer, maybe even the odd river carp. I have a 9 weight single hand rod that I use for heavy stuff.

I had originally decided on the 7/8 as it would complement the other rods I have and seemed to be a good choice, but now I'm wondering if it will be a little bit too much rod. Any suggestions?

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You are right there is @ 2 sizes difference between Spey and single hand line sizes. Switch rod builders are devided as to how they label their rods, Gary Andrson, SAGE and Batson mark single hand sizes. Meiser and Beulah use Spey sizes. It is best to use the builders line recommendation as your guide to selection. steve
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Awesome, thanks for the help.
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Question Spey or Singled Handed Designations

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You are right there is @ 2 sizes difference between Spey and single hand line sizes. Switch rod builders are devided as to how they label their rods, Gary Andrson, SAGE and Batson mark single hand sizes. Meiser and Beulah use Spey sizes. It is best to use the builders line recommendation as your guide to selection. steve
As a neophyte, this is good info to know (and, hopefully, should prevent a lot of frustration), but it covers only a small part of the Spey/Switch universe out there. What about the other major players in the Spey/Switch rod making universe; e.g.
Echo?
Scott?
TFO?
Thomas & Thomas?
Winston? et al.
How does their line designations for their rods compare? Same as S-H rods or the 2 X rule for spey designations? Do any of the mfgers designate speys and switches differently within their own product lines?
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you got the right guy giving you the right answer in the very first post, dude!

Bear...fortunately, the major rod manufacturers have intelligently posted recommended line weights and sometimes specific line recommendations on their websites, which is pretty cool, like Steve said.
Line manufacturers also often publish line recommendation charts to help match their lines with specific rods. This helps make line selection much easier.
for your last question, you need to be especially careful when looking at switch length rods from European manufacturers. Some of them have 11-12' rods called sea trout rods, which have a lower grip like a switcher but are lined according to SH weights.

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You should go w/ the 7/8......I fished the Lake O. tribs last year w/ a 6, and got smoked a few times on screamin' chrome..... especially in the higher flows. This year i have an 8 switch and I'm stoked.
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You are right there is @ 2 sizes difference between Spey and single hand line sizes.
So...if the above is true...lets make it even MORE confusing than it already is. (I have been in the spey thing for only a few months I am stating to think the spey forefathers didnt have any braincells left)

If a spey rod is 2 wieghts heavier than a single hand rod, and European made spey rods are 1 tro 2 weights LIGHTER than American made spey rods....GEEEZZZ. There has to be an easier way to do this.

So...what weight is my Snowbee 8/9? 8/9 + 2 = 10/11 - 1 or 2 = either a 8/9 or 9/10.

I know I know...they spey world is more about the line than the rod. Now I have an 8/9 rod with a 10/11 weight line on it. The damn line is so thick I have no idea how its going to fit through the guides!
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Talk about a mess And then we have the fact the grain windows are more important to fishing then the rod weight classification. And is a 6/7 closer to a 6 or a 7

I'm just looking for a rod that when lined correctly, in this case the beulah tonic and elixer shooting heads plus airflo ridge running line, will have enough backbone for steel but light enough that river fishing for smallies will work. Toss in chinook in the winter here and carp in the summer and I'm starting to think that maybe two rods might be in order.

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switch rod

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You should call the folks at Beulah and tell them what it is that you want to be doing - assuming you haven't already done so. Pacific Daylight Time.
They are very friendly and helpful and have probably dealt with a situation
just like yours before.
Best of luck,
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"small enough for smallies and big enough for chinook". Except for sturgeon, thats as wide a range as you can go! I would not count on one rod covering that range unless the chinook are dark with fungus patches on their bodies!
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I hadn't thought of that, it might be a good idea. Maybe I'll send off an email tonight.
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Guideline 11 footers in both LPXe and LeCie have single handed ratings and are listed in the catalogue as single handers despite the presence of a lower grip. So a 7/8 Guideline 11 footer will cast a typical WF-8-F single handed line. Makes line selection quite simple.

As far as two handed ratings go, some older American and most European two handers were rated according to the first 60' of an AFTMA rated DT line. A single hander of the same rating number would be rated on the first 30' of the same line. Life was so simple back then . . . .

BTW, a LeCie 13' 7" - 8/9 loads and casts very nicely with a DT-9-F.

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check out this site for line recommendations for various rods

http://speyshop.kiene.com/

Click on rod you are interested in and then click on "more information"
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I would agree with that Beau. I don't really plan on fishing for chinooks with this rod, they would be more of an accidental by product while fishing for steel. Steel and bass would be my main goal, especially steel. I had been leaning towards the 6/7 but was thinking the extra strength in the 7/8 might be useful.
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Seafood: "I know I know...they spey world is more about the line than the rod."
truer words have never been writ.
Think about the flies you toss, the tips they're tied to, and what sort of line it will take to get them out there for you. We backwards engineer our outfits if we're smart.
The rod needs to handle the casting and handle the fish. I've caught chinookies and big nasty dog salmon on a 6/7 12'6" spey rod, and the only time I wished for more rod was when the wind was blowing or the current was fast. It's plenty for smallies and steel under practically all conditions you might encounter I think.
Down the line, a heavier carp/nookie stik might be in order, or your heavy 9.

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