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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-19-2009, 10:26 PM Thread Starter
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help with my bottom hand

It's really hard for me to use bottom hand when spey casting. I always use my upper hand.

Is there any excesise that will help me improve?

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Something that always helps me...I just use it all the time now...is to take the index (pointer) finger and thumb on my right (top) hand off the cork. So I'm gripping with only the last 3 fingers on my right hand. Makes it much harder to overpower with the right.

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A tip I learned from Bob Meiser is to cast with your top hand palm facing you. It is incredibly difficult to apply top hand pressure with your palm facing you, try it sometime.
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agree with above; palm grip keeps you from horking it.
if that doesn't work, a wading belt to hold your top hand arm still

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another trick

I find if I start my cast with my bottom hand ... I am much more likely to use it once I'm in the final cast. start your lift with your bottom hand ... do your snap T with your bottom hand ... you get the idea. Works for me when I begin overpowering with my top hand. If you are doing short belly casting then try to keep your elbows in to your side. Hard to push that top hand out if your elbow is near your hip.

The above suggestions are interesting ... I like the palm backwards Idea.

Hope some of the above might help.

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Steve.....exactly! If you are not using your bottom hand for every move, why would it be involved at the finish? Plus the cross action of both hands makes everything so easy. In particular you need to push the butt up and aim the butt toward your splashdown target area to be able to pull it back down at final delivery.If it is not pointed out ,whats to pull in? Then your brain just tells your upperhand it has to push out more...those are the only two choices!
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has a "flip the tip" section in the Art of Speycasting Video (Speyorama 2004), that is very useful. He begins with a short length of line overhead and uses the bottom hand to "flip the tip" to get a nice tight loop. I find that it helps to use the non-dominant hand up and dominant at the bottom.

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Strongest hand at bottom grip

Cast with your strongest hand on the bottom grip. In the same time you will learn to cast with, not only your strongest hand on top, but to use each hand on top and on the bottom grip. This will help you in many fishing situations.
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Cast with your strongest hand on the bottom grip. In the same time you will learn to cast with, not only your strongest hand on top, but to use each hand on top and on the bottom grip. This will help you in many fishing situations.
I know what your trying to say. But, wouldn't that just train your top hand (bottom at the time) to over power the upper portion of the grip?

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I know what your trying to say. But, wouldn't that just train your top hand (bottom at the time) to over power the upper portion of the grip?
Often it is easiest for the dominant hand to learn a new task. In this case, learning to apply most of the force to the bottom of the rod. Then the brain "knows" how to back off when the dominant hand is on top, and the bottom hand applies force more effectively, as it now knows from training the dominant hand to do it and can transfer that task.

I am at the stage where some of my best casting is with the dominant hand at the bottom and a very relaxed grip with the non-dominant upper hand.

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thank you all for responses

I'll be continue practicing and hopefully I'll be able to post about my improvments
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Often it is easiest for the dominant hand to learn a new task. In this case, learning to apply most of the force to the bottom of the rod. Then the brain "knows" how to back off when the dominant hand is on top, and the bottom hand applies force more effectively, as it now knows from training the dominant hand to do it and can transfer that task.

I am at the stage where some of my best casting is with the dominant hand at the bottom and a very relaxed grip with the non-dominant upper hand.
I see, I was just trying to figure this out before myself and maybe others reading got the wrong idea. I understand now. Thank you for the clarification and the tip. I might have to try it out sometime!

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For the life of me I can't see the difference between applying power with the bottom hand instead to the top. It seems to me the rod moves exactly the same way no matter which hand applies the power.

Please, enlighten me.

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It's true that the path of the rod tip is what determines the shape of the loop.

The underhand cast tends to move the pivot point of the rod to the upper hand which helps to flatten the path of the rod tip. It also allows more power to be applied in a shorter stroke which works well with shorter shooting heads.

I think the main thing is to be aware of how our hand placement and application of power influence the rod tip during the cast.
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For the life of me I can't see the difference between applying power with the bottom hand instead to the top. It seems to me the rod moves exactly the same way no matter which hand applies the power.

Please, enlighten me.

Randy
Try it on shorter switch rods and you see the difference.

1. Lenght of the cast. If I'm able to apply power to the bottom hand I'm getting at least additional 20 feet in lenght

2. Less tailing loops
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