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Gear requirements for spey casting

I have an old (1938) 8-foot fiberglass rod I inherited from my Grandfather and I have been trying my best to spey cast with it but I get, at best, what looks like a 50-foot roll cast that tends to stack up near the end. Is it just that I have too short of a rod, or might I be doing something wrong?

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To really effectively spey you're going to need something 3-7 feet longer than you have.

That 8 footer won't cut it.

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I completely disagree with my friend Keith. I believe you can single hand spey cast with any length single hander. Start short and STAY OFF THE GAS.

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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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mjc is right .. but a 1938 fiberglass rod? hmm... that's gotta be one of the first ever!

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mjc is right .. but a 1938 fiberglass rod? hmm... that's gotta be one of the first ever!
My rod is an original Wright & McGill with a brass reel seat. Wright & McGill was the company that became Eagle Claw about the year I was born and I'm not a youngster. My grandpa died when I was twelve and I have had that rod ever since. I caught six nice white bass on it tonight at a local public lake. I love the way they slam a streamer.

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Is there a formula?

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I completely disagree with my friend Keith. I believe you can single hand spey cast with any length single hander. Start short and STAY OFF THE GAS.
I'm a math guy. Is there a formula that will tell me how far I can hope to cast with my short rod using spey techniques, or is it all up to the skill of the angler, in which case I'm sunk?

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Poppy,

You are right, of course. You can spey cast with almost any fly rod. But I'm not sure most of us can effectively spey cast with an 8 ft fiberglass beyond the 50 ft of line he is currently throwing.

I certainly couldn't.

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Hey Kenneth. No formula that I know of and Im afraid skill will equal better results than a math formula. One suggestion is if you are going to be doing specifically spey type casts you may want to try and use a line weight or even two higher than what you use for standard overhead casting. And dont worry about how far you get it out there. Concentrate on good mechanics and making good casts with a comfortable amount of line out. With good mechanics the distance will come with little effort. And as MJC said , with that rod you will probably have to slow waaayyyy down and just let it do the work. Again try out some different lines and line weights, you may find one that really makes that rod come alive with a spey cast. Sounds like a classic old Wright Mcgill and a very cool rod. Stick with it. Good luck and hope this helps. Kevin
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Poppy,

You are right, of course. You can spey cast with almost any fly rod. But I'm not sure most of us can effectively spey cast with an 8 ft fiberglass beyond the 50 ft of line he is currently throwing.

I certainly couldn't.

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Let me add one more point. An eight foot rod can be speycast. However, if someone has never or only rarely speycast before, I'd say it'll be tougher to learn to do it well with a eight footer than with something longer. I've seen experienced speycasters do incredible things with fairly short rods, but fifty feet seems to me to be pretty decent for someone with no or minimal speycasting experience with a single-handed rod.
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My first fly rod was a Wright McGill fiberglass. It did the job. My Dad had a Fenwick and I thought it was pretty sweet. He told me when I grew up & got a job I could get myself a Fenwick. By that time the HMG graphite was out so I got myself a 9' 7 weight that I caught my first steelhead on. The tools keep improving, most steelheaders and salmon fishers use two handed graphite rods now. I still use single hand rods for trout.

Hang on to Grandpa's fly rod for posterity but there are better fishing tools out there and depending on what kind of fish you're after you can get a nice graphite single hand rod for $100 or a two hander for $175 & up.

The best DVD I've seen for making the transition from overhead fly casting to spey is Spey to Z.
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Maybe, maybe not. It would certainly depend on the user's idea of better. Fishing should be about one's pleasure and using Grandpa's rod would certainly be pleasueable, at least to me. It seems it also is to the OP.

I do certainly agree with Lolo's dvd recommendation.

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It would certainly depend on the user's idea of better.
Well said!

If it was me, I'd hang Grampa's 1938 fiberglass rod on the mantle and buy a new graphite spey rod. MJC can help you with that!
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My first fly rod was a Wright McGill fiberglass. It did the job. My Dad had a Fenwick and I thought it was pretty sweet. He told me when I grew up & got a job I could get myself a Fenwick. By that time the HMG graphite was out so I got myself a 9' 7 weight that I caught my first steelhead on. The tools keep improving, most steelheaders and salmon fishers use two handed graphite rods now. I still use single hand rods for trout.

Hang on to Grandpa's fly rod for posterity but there are better fishing tools out there and depending on what kind of fish you're after you can get a nice graphite single hand rod for $100 or a two hander for $175 & up.

The best DVD I've seen for making the transition from overhead fly casting to spey is Spey to Z.
Those other rods are going to have to stay in my future until I can land a job. I've been out of work since the first of June.

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Maybe, maybe not. It would certainly depend on the user's idea of better. Fishing should be about one's pleasure and using Grandpa's rod would certainly be pleasueable, at least to me. It seems it also is to the OP.

I do certainly agree with Lolo's dvd recommendation.
I really do like using Grandpa's old rod and I want to notch as many different types of fish on it as possible before I put it away for good. So far, smallmouths, largemouths, rock bass, bluegills by the ton, White and black crappie, wipers (little), white bass, hickory shad, silver and golden shiners, creek chubs, channel cats, suckers and rainbow trout. Next year I hope to add muskie, northern pike, saugeye, perch, gar, carp, steelhead and brown trout. This year the water is starting to get a bit cold for me since I'm having to wade wet right now. Brrrr!

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Kenneth,
as someone who spey casts with a 6.6" wee cane job not quite as old as the fibreglass rod you are using,I would say go up up a line or two,possibly follow my usage of old fashioned DT lines ,wont go a long long way but will fish sweetly.
Wanna cast a long way for me its the 16 footer or a shorter 13 with heads!

Would love to see a picture of the elderly glass rod,I guess it would be solid and not tubular??

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