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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-01-2017, 06:21 PM Thread Starter
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Question about switch lines

Still learning here so bear with me. My limited knowledge comes from single handed trout rods. I'm shopping for my first double hander and I think I want a switch rod for where I fish most of the time. Now I'm on to reels and lines.

Ideally I'd like to have a second or third spool to make line selection quick and simple depending on the conditions. It seems there are one-piece lines (full floating and nymphing/indicator lines) and sectional lines (shooting line, shooting heads, MOW tips, etc.). Does this seem right?

If this is the case, and I was Richie Rich, I could have one spool set up with shooting line/head, a second for indicator fishing and a third with a full floating line.

Skating dries... can this be done with a scandi shooting head and a float tip, or is a one piece floating line more realistic?

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That's correct, you have the option of ordinary integrated fly lines or shooting head systems /modular-line systems.

Scandi-heads include the body and tapered-tip segment in one piece. You don't really need anything but a leader and tippet for surface-oriented presentations, but you still need the running/shooting line behind the head.

I hope that answers your question,
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The nice thing about heads is the ability to switch from a scandi to a skagit to a mid-belly within minutes. One spool with backing and running line and your good to go, just change the heads depending on your fishing conditions.
If you want you could carry an extra spool with a full line of your choice.
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My first switch Rod line was the Rio Switch Chucker. Versatile and easy to cast for a newbie like me.
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You can nymph just fine with shooting heads. Had a huge steelhead on a couple weeks ago using my Skagit Scout line from Airflo.

In my limited experience, I would buy either:
1) OPST commando head & tips kit or
2) Airflo Skagit Scout and get a Polyleaders for floating & nymphing work, and a couple MOW tips in T-8 to T-11 configuration.

No need to buy a whole bunch of stuff. That OPST commando kit will cover everything you ever wanted to do from swinging Intruders to skating dries to chucking bobbers!

I used a Skagit setup this year for swinging to finnicky trout and it was awesome! Caught more trout in one season on that setup than all my previous years with DT and WF trout lines on a single-hand.

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a couple of comments

Learning to spey cast with a switch rod, which I tried to do, was hard for me. My casting didn't come into its own until I got a 13' rod (and some help). However, if you get the switch rod, I'd put in a plug for either a Rio Scandi versatip short head with a full complement of tips from floating to fast sinking. Put your running line on, add the versatip head and loop whatever tip you need. About as simple as it comes. You do the same thing with a Nextcast WA35 line of the appropriate size for your rod. The NC line come with a floating tip, but you'll need to add an intermediate, slow sinking, and fast slnking tip. The advantage of the NC head are it's better casting quality. The downside is they are sometimes hard to find.
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I made an inquiry of Airflo about their Scout head and whether it would be suitable for floating line swinging for Atlantic Salmon with small files. I received a very helpful response with a link to a very useful (at least to me) article that very clearly outlines the various options and types of lines:

"All Skagit heads, including the SCOUT, are designed to be used with level sinking material and not tapered PolyLeaders. They’re especially not designed for doing floating presentations.

What we have to address this need is the Airflo RAGE head, which you can find here:
Rage Compact | Airflo USA

If you’d like to read up a bit more on the difference between these two types of heads, here’s an article I helped put together:
https://echoflyfishingblog.com/2016/...-your-spey-rod "

Hopefully this will be as useful to you as it was to this fellow newbie.
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Thanks guys. This was all very helpful and did indeed confirm my thoughts. Whenever the time comes I think I'll get one spool set up with a running line for modular heads and another with an indicator line. I had a chance to swing by my local shop and they recommended this set up too.

I've been eyeballing the Hardy Marquis Salmon #1 for the switch, but I'm still considering a proper spey rod. Now I'm wondering if there's a click pawl reel that could be used on both a switch and spey if I ever decide to get one of each. Does anyone use a Salmon #1 on a 13' spey or is the Salmon #2 a better option? Would be nice to have just one reel.

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It Depends

I have used a Salmon 1 on a spey rod and it works fine. The only thing you gain between the 1 and 2 is the extra room for backing and the weight, if you are trying to balance a longer rod. I use a 1 on my 12'6" 6 wt spey rod. If I were fishing on some of the big Western rivers, I'd want the 2 on my rod.
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For the record, IIRC the guys at OPST recommend the use of a short 5' floating tip on their lighter trout spey Commando heads for fishing the surface and 'damp' patterns -- such as swinging unweighted flies in shallow water.

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That correct up to 225 grains. But, I use 9 to 11' mono leaders with no problems. If you want to mimic a scandi, add a 7.5 foot floating tip and some mono.

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However, if you get the switch rod, I'd put in a plug for either a Rio Scandi versatip short head with a full complement of tips from floating to fast sinking.
Love these.. come complete with floating, Intermediate, Type 3 and type 6 sinking tips. For high water or deeper runs / slower presentation just pick up one of RIO's optional Scandi "Bodies" in Intermediate (match to line class) Really makes for a well rounded kit.

Salmon 1 would be my pick for a Switch and medium Spey use reel. Think about 12'6" ..one of my favorite lengths, very capable. The Scandi-Short VT is great match to that length (my opinion)
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Love these.. come complete with floating, Intermediate, Type 3 and type 6 sinking tips. For high water or deeper runs / slower presentation just pick up one of RIO's optional Scandi "Bodies" in Intermediate (match to line class) Really makes for a well rounded kit.

Salmon 1 would be my pick for a Switch and medium Spey use reel. Think about 12'6" ..one of my favorite lengths, very capable. The Scandi-Short VT is great match to that length (my opinion)
This does sound like the ticket.

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I have a Salmon 1 on a 10'8" switch and it balances perfect. For the smaller waters I fish, I prefer the Airflo Switch Float which is an integrated line. Probably not an issue on bigger rivers but I never liked the loop connections rattling through the guides.

Have also used the Salmon 1 on 12'6 6wt spey without any issues.

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Good to hear. The switch rod I'm looking at is a 10'8 7wt. I'm also looking at a 12'6 6wt, or a 13'2 7wt spey. I'll have to set these dreams aside until tax return time at any rate.

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