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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 06-16-2009, 01:47 AM Thread Starter
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Fancy casting confusion???

I have been going to the spey casting school of You Tube. I have figured out the double spey, Wombat, snap T, perry poke and the snake roll. I think. The wombat as far as I can tell, is a double spey with a perry poke before shooting the line. Correct or maybe? What is the reason for more than one loop in a snake roll? Just because you can or is it an actual cast I don't know the name of? I can get two almost every time but, three seems to blow my anchor. As far as I can tell, one is all you need. Why am I able to shoot more line from some casts than others? e.g I get more line out with a snake roll than a snap T 90% of the time. Is it because my D loop forms farther away from me with the snap T than the snake roll. The double spey gets line out about the same as the snake roll. I have been practicing with both hands and seem to shoot more line most of the time with a left hand double spey than a right. I have not got a clue what's going on there. And last but not least, what the heck is a circle cast?
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 06-16-2009, 02:17 AM
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Whoa man, thats a boat load of questions that would take a long time to answer. Id say graduate from you tube and go for a higher education, buy the rio 3 disc spey casting set or the spey to z Dvd. A good investment and they will answer all your questions and then some. Kevin
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A circle cast is just another name for the snap-t. (snapped tip) The Perry poke is like a single spey gone bad. It was originally a recovery cast from a single spey. While a poke can be added to any cast, the wombat cast was originally a snap-t with the poke added. All of the above are upstream anchor casts.

The double spey and snake roll are down stream anchor casts. The multi snake roll (or is it the multi roll snake) was developed for working deep sunk tips up without doing a roll cast first.

The Rio 3 disk set explains it all very well. I have not seen the Spey to Z.

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Dan, the common elements in your questions have to do with timing, effective rod loading, and how easy or hard the cast is for you, as an individual. So the casts you're most proficient at right now allow you to shoot more line because you're better at imparting energy into the rod/line with them at this stage of your casting...and your favorite casts may change over time as you practice, knock down walls, and learn new things. That's how it's been for me anyway.
those foofie multiple spiral casts are not only fun to do, they help buy time for you to aerialize the line properly, set your anchor where you want it, and time your forward speyout. They're also handy for corkscrewing the tip out of the water if it's deeply sunk. I even use a spiral pickup when SHing.

For myself, certain casts are easier to do because with some of them I'm better at getting my D loop to a nice sweet 180 degrees to the forward cast. Many of the casts you mention will often fail because of improper anchor placement or a D loop that's not aligned with the forward speyout. If you play around with that phase of your cast you may find some surprises. Some casts make it very easy to get your D loop lined up at 180 degrees, other need lots of practice.
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those foofie multiple spiral casts are not only fun to do, they help buy time for you to aerialize the line properly, set your anchor where you want it, and time your forward speyout. They're also handy for corkscrewing the tip out of the water if it's deeply sunk. regards, Bob
I tried letting the fly sink really well before starting the multi spiral snake roll and it worked. It worked everytime I tried it. I was mistaken in what the wombat cast was. Adding a perry poke to my snap t (wombating it)corrects the way out anchor and fixes the distance thing. I looked again at Eoin Fairgrieve and Kevin P on You Tube, and I think I may have been over snapping my snap t. I will work on that one tomorrow. I tried the "Jelly Roll" today and hung the line on my rod three times in a row. I'm not sure what the heck to fix there. It's all fun.
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Dan, one thing that simplified the process in the begining for me was to realize that all casts are simply different ways to set your anchor... You can snap, circle , roll , reverse roll, and even scratch the twins during your set up, but they all end with an anchor being set off the left or right shoulder, usually slightly in front of you ( Sometimes slightly behind you) , basicaly wherever you want it to be able to execute your cast . The one you choose will be depending on the direction of current flow and wind direction mainly, and the one you are good at !
Don't let it all freak ya out . Find a couple casts that are comfortable for you and learn 'em, then progress to others, it will all start comeing into focus-
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what about the `touch n go' `switcheroonie' `goodnuff' and `illtakeitok' cast?(last two being my favorites of course),,,i spend my time watching live performances on You-Tube,studio work is OK,as long as the line is moving towards your goal(perry being what i'm talking about;i only use it if theirs brush/rocks upriver from me

i like simple casts,single,touch n go, switch n go, a snake roll occaisionally if i get bored and a double spey when i'm on the WRONG side of the river,but it's all good

i've thought about doing some promo work down at the riffle for Gary Anderson,need to proper equipment so i can BS while i'm casting,i mean,we have a new bridge just downriver in perfect position,get the lights right and ACTION i guess you could overdub but hey why not add a synthesizer and a Wah pedal too

oh,,`anchor' seems a LOT of posts about `anchors' lately,, i watch for the fly to sweep by then fire(translation is= it seems i'm using less anchoring nowadays?)

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