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Tapeing ferrules

What kind of tape do you use for ferrules? What kind of wax? Can you get by with just wax and check the ferrules every few casts? I just scared the hell out of myself and don't wish to repeat it again. I got lucky and there was no damage but I do not want a repeat performance that might not turn out so well. It took a surprisingly few number of casts to have an accident.
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I don't tape but use wax (paraffin) and haven't had a problem
I think those that do tape use electrical tape ... there are various grades out there ... some better in cold weather than others.

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I just scared the hell out of myself and don't wish to repeat it again. I got lucky and there was no damage but I do not want a repeat performance that might not turn out so well. It took a surprisingly few number of casts to have an accident.
I looks to me like you've answered your question in the above statement as to whether you should tape or not.

There are lots of pros and cons and a search of the archives will show you more info then you most likely want to know.

For what it's worth when Bob Meiser and crew go to a spey gathering and have several rods for people to try they tape every last one of them as does the CND team.

Many of the Clearwater regulars that are fishing rods over 14' tape. The ones I know that don't tape have over the years developed a great sense of when a ferrule is starting to loosen and fix it right then.

It takes 5 minutes to tape a rod and a month or more to get one repaired. Do the math.

Any plastic tape that has low residue. Radio Shack has a good one. CND Spey USA has a ferrule care kit with a great tape and wax as well as grippy pads to get stuck sections apart, (it will happen sooner or later).

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post #4 of 48 (permalink) Old 04-16-2009, 04:20 AM
 
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Use self amalgamating tape, this leaves no residue.
3M make it, they sell it here in UK tackle shops for this purpose.

http://www.castlewholesalers.com/3M-...3-4-X-66-.html


I use this and its perfect for the job.
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Self amalgamating tape is referred to as self fusing or silicone tape in North America. A question I have is how do you remove it? The instructions indicate that it should be cut off. That could be dangerous to the rod. I received some yesterday and have taped the ferrules on an old rod so will see how it works.

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taping is my vote

Dan,
As you read through the archives, you may get the same impressions as I did. Too many accomplished casters with a wide variety of ideas! So what to do? Pick a guru and follow their lead. At the time, I was reading Simon's book. Flat out, he said tape or experience a ferrule break at some point. Good enough for me! Down here in Norcal, and summers in Alaska, I don't have your level of cold so just what type of tape is best for you, I don't know. I use standard electrical tape from Home Depot (or similar). So far so good. I don't worry about residue left on the rod's surface. I just cover it the next time I tape.
I'm with Poppy on this one...do the math.
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I'm one who doesn't tape. As Poppy noted above, am one of those who's developed the feel for when things start to slip. And more importantly, constantly checking my ferrules to make sure they're lined up and tight. As soon as I see the guides slipping and coming out of line, it's a check and tighten. Usually 2-3 times per day of fishing, regardless of weather.

the reason I don't is a false sense of security I feel I'd fall into with taping. have heard of one rod 'exploding' at the ferrule that was supposedly taped. Apparently not well. Another friend I'm helping with casting taped his rod, didn't check it through the 2 hours of casting practice, and when we went to tear down, found 3 of the 4 tape junctions 'failed'. i.e. the tape came loose.

regardless of what you do, I think continuing to check through the day is a good habitat to get into. Some times tape fails.......

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When I was doing the so-called traditional form of speycasting I taped faithfully. I was using 14' and 15' rods and that type of speycasting causes a lot of torque in the rod during casting which is what loosens ferrules. However, I became a Scando convert about five years ago and now almost never tape. That style of casting has far less twisting and the fact that in most cases we're using rods of less than 14' means that I've no longer found taping necessary. If I head somewhere to fish for a week or more I'll usually take the time to do it, but for a one day trip I now normally just wax and keep an eye on things. One thing about it though. The ONLY disadvantage to taping is the time it takes to do it and to peel it off again when you're done.
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3M Scotch Super 33+ Vinyl Electrical Tape is a good choice.
It has very strong hold and is easy to remove in cold weather. At least our level of cold ...

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http://www.speyshop.com/channels/not...237/index.shtm

I think this link provide a pretty good and interesting idea, haven't try it yet, though. Usually I did not tape my rod, I just check it every now and then.

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I think this link provide a pretty good and interesting idea,
I used that method part of a Summer and the Fall season. I worked quite well but eventually the tubing started to deteriorate. I would say it worked as good as taping.

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Tape. Use electrical tape. Will save you from falling to your knees in agony after you watched your rod splinter.

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the reason I don't is a false sense of security I feel I'd fall into with taping.


Feiger my friend you have the same false sense of security with a fully inflated spare tire and car insurance but I'd bet a big steak you do not run around the Oregon back country without either of the above.

Taping is not a 100% guarantee that the ferrule will not slip but if done properly (rod joined tightly to start) taping goes along ways toward keeping things together and in tact.

I do agree with JR, I don't think taping is as critical with short heads but for people doing traditional spey casting with 14' and longer rods I think it makes a great deal of sense.

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I tape all the time, every time. I think of it in much the same was as anti-virus software on our windows computer at home. I wouldn't want to be on-line without it, but even with it, i'm cautious about what sites i visit (although some might say visiting this one so frequently undermines anything else i have to say ) or what attachments i open.

Common sense and extra protection.

Oh yeah, i use 3m electricians' tape.

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Poppy.......

And after last year's trip to BC's semi-backcountry (in pursuit of king salmon), a dead car battery, and an 8 mile walk to the nearest native settlement for a jump, I don't go without a back-up battery charger either!!

And yeah, I'd probably be better off taping, and someday I may regret not having that "insurance policy" paid for in full.

But then again, in all my years of being in the back country of eastern Oregon, and now Idaho, I've never once needed my spare tire and insurance policy. It's always been in town, where some dumba$$ left roofing nails and sheetmetal screws in the road, and the other dumba$$ clipping my fender in the parking lot.........

Probably just jinxed myself..........

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