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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-08-2009, 09:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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noob question.... sorry

Question for you guys n gals. I just recently purchased my first spey rod, and was wondering something. My skagit line is a rio versi tio 550 grain, and my rod recommends a 5 ft cheater. Does the cheater go after the skagit line or after the sink tip?

Skagit---->Cheater---->Sink Tip---->Leader

or

Skagit---->Sink Tip---->Cheater---->Leader

I am guessing its the first option. Haven't been able to get out and cast just yet
as our season isn't opened yet and rivers are flooded. Been watching modern spey dvd with simon to learn. Pretty excited to try it out.

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in between the skagit head and the sinktip
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what rod did you get? You might just try it without the cheater first - folks have been going shorter and shorter on skagit set ups and it may do very well without the cheater
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There is no need to apologize for asking newbie questions. Every person the frequents this board was a newbie at one time.

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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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Thanks for the reply^^ It's a 13'6 mks from Bob Meiser.
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I would try it both with the cheater and without and see which way works the best for"you".

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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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When first starting out the cheater can complicate things. Most people would use the line without the cheater at first, it will be easier to to turn the line over with less head length. As you get more comfortable with the casting, and you are turning the head over consistently, then try the cheater. It gives you a longer head that is heavier, and for experienced casters this will generally give you more distance. If you are using a sink tip I would suggest a 'compensating' cheater which is grey in colour, it is neutrally buoyant and will allow the sink tip to fish a bit better.(the line won't 'hinge' at the surface as much with it) The floating cheater(yellow) is better used on dry lines with no sink tip.
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Are these compensating or intermediate cheaters available separate? Only ones i see are in a 4 pack with 5,7.5 and 10 ft cheaters.
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The Red Shed still has some single (5' & 10') intermediate cheaters. They are $12.00 a piece.

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any 15 ft floating tip too? If so would definetly be interested in ordering them.
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Thanks for the reply^^ It's a 13'6 mks from Bob Meiser.
Dang, that sounds like a pretty nice nubie stick.
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How tall are you

if you are tall or average hight with a 13.6 rod I would recomend the cheater. If u are short 5.8 range you may find it easeyer to cast without. I recommend all average hight beginners use the apropriate cheater.

If you get out on he water and find that the D loop is picking up out of the water and / or making a whiping sound before going forward then the cheater will help build a proper sized D loop.
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any 15 ft floating tip too? If so would definetly be interested in ordering them.
I have all the Rio floating tips in stock.

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I'm 6'0. Lots of great advice coming. Very generous of you all.
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Sam ….. My apologies for the spelling and grammar in my last post…..
I couldn’t help laugh when I took a look at it today

Before replying to your question, we had just gotten off the river and were celebrating a successful day with a post-bent-rod single malt.

Ok….. I admit……… it may have been more than one ….. The world was a little foggy.
Though my grammar and spelling was loose, I stand by what I said.
I like short skagit lines but it is my belief that if you are a tall individual, then it is best to start with the “prescribed” skagit length.

I have seen dozens of beginners get into trouble because they cannot comfortably build a D loop with shorter lines. Most taller guys try to use power to punch through their mistakes. This is not always a bad thing. A beginner with too much power + the prescribed skagit length will still get the line out. It my not be pritty but it will fish. There’s plenty of time between tugs to figure out the right balance between power and timing.

A shorter line will force you to pay more attention to the power application in the d loop (the back cast) and for most beginners, results in a whipping sound as they pick the fly out of the water. This kind of cast can tick rocks behind you, shack off flies and will never shoot properly.
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