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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-25-2017, 11:21 AM Thread Starter
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Question on my rods and lines

I am new to spey fishing but have decades of fishing with single hand rod's. I have acquired two rods for spey fishing. The first is a Sage Z Axis 7 weight,13 1/2 ft rod that I acquied from a friend. It came with a Skagit line that I have not weighed yet but believe my friend said it is over 500 grains.
My second Spey rod is a Beulah 11 foot, 8 wt switch rod. For that rod I have a 425 grain tonic Skagit and a 400 grain Elixer Scandi line. My question is in regards to the matching of the rods to the lines. As I begin learning to spey cast, I want to ensure that I don't have a problem with the rod/line match that may hamper my ability to learn the casting techniques.
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I am new to spey fishing but have decades of fishing with single hand rod's. I have acquired two rods for spey fishing. The first is a Sage Z Axis 7 weight,13 1/2 ft rod that I acquied from a friend. It came with a Skagit line that I have not weighed yet but believe my friend said it is over 500 grains.
My second Spey rod is a Beulah 11 foot, 8 wt switch rod. For that rod I have a 425 grain tonic Skagit and a 400 grain Elixer Scandi line. My question is in regards to the matching of the rods to the lines. As I begin learning to spey cast, I want to ensure that I don't have a problem with the rod/line match that may hamper my ability to learn the casting techniques.
Do a google search on "rio spey line recomendations" and "airflo spey line chart" and especially look for the PDF files - site rules say I can't give the links on here since these are associated with commercial entities, but they are easy to find. These are long lists of current rods from all the major companies with suggested weights for multiple line types. Most rods are actually explicitly there, but even if a particular rod is not you can still find something similar. These are a good place to start to give you more confidence that you are choosing lines that are a good match.

So for example a 7wt 13.5' spey rod would use about a 480-530 skagit head. If you are a beginner you may prefer to go heavier. If you want a good (extreme) lower weight suggestion, then the "A" ratings on the Rio chart are good for that.

And yes, those lines on the 8wt switch are probably a bit too light, especially if you are just starting out.
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And yes, those lines on the 8wt switch are probably a bit too light, especially if you are just starting out.
Yes, this is good - the online Rio and Airflo charts are pretty good to match up with your rod.
However, the perfect weight won't be known until you actually cast them.
Find a shop that has demo lines you can test
As for the 8wt, it's definitely too light unless you plan on throwing a super heavy and long sink tip...
8wt should be between 550-625 grs. Check your rod grain wt window.
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And yes, those lines on the 8wt switch are probably a bit too light, especially if you are just starting out.
You would be right for some companies but forget that switch rods went through many line rating designations since their inception so grain weights are all over the place (look at the Sage Z-axis recs vs the Sage Method). The 11'0" 8wt platinum likes lines between 400-450 as per Beulah website and beulahnw posts on here.

Also the 375 grain OPST matches well with that particular rod.
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I have the sage 7136 zaxis.. This is a sweet rod and it is very versatile. I have three reel set ups for it depending on the weather. Delta mint green if you can find it, Steve Godshall can make you some real good scandis for it. Also air flow heads. I like the long bellies of 55 ft on it. But the delta mint is my favorite.
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Hb - Take some of these line recs with a grain of salt!
For your Beulah rod go with Beulah's rec, 400 Elixir - 450 Tonic. (Your 425 Tonic should be fine)
SGS (Steve Godshall) will also steer you in the right direction.
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Throw a Skagit compact 600 or a Skagit switch 540 on that 7wt z axis it's more like an 8wt
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500 grains.

A 512-grain Gravity Point Speyline is sweet on Z-A 7136 too. That's the 6/7 GPS.
Airflo green Delta is quite nice. The two I have are 512 and 518.
Delta Long 6/7s that I have are in 520-range. 6/7 Rio MidSpey - 480 to 500 grains. A 510 Rage, 480, 500 and 510 skagit heads, 500 scandi-comp... same same.
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I acquired Z7136-4 this fall.
I have fished it with a Rio flight 525 skagit, I found that pretty sweet. Also fished it with an Airflo 540 Skagit, almost seemed a little heavy but you could feel the rod a little more and I got it to work with no issues.

From the research I have done. The grain window on the rod is from 450 to 600 grains, from the light side of scandi to the heavy side of skagit.

Many different opinions from different users, I believe you will have to try a line or two to figure out what works for you.

Hope that helps
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are you confused yet?
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You are good to go on the 7136-4. I use a 510 (close enough). If there is a casting "issue" it is pilot error.
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