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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-01-2009, 10:23 PM Thread Starter
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Lines and Cheaters and Tips, oh, my!

Longtime flycaster, first-time two-hander...

I'm not sure if many regulars can see this, but as a newcomer to all things two-handed, the language on this site can appear quite foreign. This is especially true for lines. If Spey (better capitalize it!), Skagit, and Scandi aren't tough enough, you have T-14, cheaters, tips, spliced extensions of DT-10F, and the like--depending on whether you're swinging a 7173, a 8/9 Dredger, or a 6126, that is... Sometimes entire posts seem encoded.

Given that this island of ignorance in the river of Spey is called the Spey Basics forum, it would be very helpful if someone could compile a sticky with terms and definitions, along with some basic descriptions of line combinations and their purposes--or perhaps point us to them...especially when it comes to the very complicated issue of lines!

Love the site, very helpful and positive people here, and I look forward to getting up to speed with the lingo. Little help?
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I have three suggestions...

A. Get ready for a very long steep learning curve measured in years, not months.

B. Get "Rio's Modern Spey Casting DVD" and Dec Hogan's Book A Passion for Steelhead" at minimum and watch/read both, several times.

C. Say to yourself as sort of a confession each day before you practice your Spey casting: "Of course it's hard, it's the hard (in Spey Casting) that makes it great" .

Before you know it, you will be discussing the merit's of the BIIx 7133 (seven weight 13' 3") and 450 grain Scandi (a shooting head type of Spey line) lines and 10' polyleaders or long belly tapered traditional Spey lines.

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Here is some good reading that will explain a lot. I would start with "Simon Gawesworth Explains Spey Lines".

http://www.redshedflyshop.com/speycastingsitescont.html

If you find and deal with a shop that speaks "spey" they will help you a great deal and shorten your learning curve some.

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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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Glenburn: Thanks--you might know that I live not a mile or two from where Stonewall was shot, and have been in the room where he uttered that phrase.
Poppy: Also, thank you. However, where I live, we have a lot of places that speak NASCAR, but none that speak in your peculiar language.

I'm not afraid of the steepness or length of the learning curve, but would prefer it to be steeper and shorter, as with all things. The sites we are compiling here would constitute a good start at "Spey Lines 101" that this site should chronicle and sticky, perhaps.
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...and I quote from Simon Gawesworth at the beginning of his line explanation referred to by Poppy:
"A newcomer to spey casting would be forgiven for peeping into this sport, trying it out or talking to the many different opinions and then turning tail and running away from the mass of confusion that there is out there."

Indeed! I need forgiveness now, and forebearance once I start practicing. However, the educators on this site keep me coming back.
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Poppy: Also, thank you. However, where I live, we have a lot of places that speak NASCAR, but none that speak in your peculiar language.

The sponsor fly shops on this site speak spey. Anyone of them will help you get started with an outfit that will work for "you". Some of them have demo tackle that you can try out on your water before you drop your coin.

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How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
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Will talk with Dana and see if we can come up with a newbie primer. Spey casting and the associated gear can be as difficult as you want it to be. It also can be quite easy if you are willing to take your time and start with a basic well known balanced setup.

That is where our sponsors come in. Like MJC has stated they are all well versed and can get you started up right away. All you need is a balanced line and rod and stick with that for a while. After you get that down it will all start to fall into place. It is very easy to get caught up in it all and confuse yourself.

Give Mike a call at the redshed and explain where/how you fish. He will be able to dial you up with a combo that will work right away and you can just focus on learning the basic casts and not if your rod and line are matched correctly. I see too many folks get caught up in the rods and lines and learning to cast with a non-balanced setup will make it all that more frustrating.

Start with a single line and rod and focus on learning casts to get you fishing. Then before you know it you will be talking our language

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[QUOTE=Ehrpower;226575]Glenburn: Thanks--you might know that I live not a mile or two from where Stonewall was shot, and have been in the room where he uttered that phrase.

Not to get too historical on you but my great, great grandfather was in one of the NC regiments that served under Jackson at Fredricksburg, Chancellorsville and was captured at Gettysburg a couple months after TJ "crossed the river."

Anyway, since Virginia is a relative Spey desert compared to the West Coast, finding a local Spey friendly shop is out, it's hard enough out here is CA to find a truly knowledgable shop. But as Sean said, there are great resources in Spey Pages.

And, I have a suggestion on how to shorten up your learning curve. Deschutes Angler has a THREE DAY EXTREME SPEY CAMP in August. My buddy and I did it last August. You will be SPEY CASTING after the first day and you will be SPEY FISHING by the second day. You also get to hang out with John and Amy Hazel on the Deschutes River in Oregon which is very cool.
It's a great value and in terms of applicable spey knowledge that you gain, it's a steal.

Short term: The shad and rock will be running up your river in a couple of months. Get a 12.5 - 13.5 foot 7 weight spey rod, an Airflo compact skagit that fits it and 6 - 10' of T-10 sinking tips and practice, practice, practice. The Red Shed or the Deschutes Angler to name just two on this site can get you dialed in for the Spring Run.

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Glenburn: Amazing--you know who shot Stonewall, right? NC vols...and Virginians will never forgive them--ever. I'm a transplanted Minnesotan, so we barely knew a war was on. I live right next to the Chancellorsville battleground--Meade's division walked my property.
- On the Deschutes extreme spey camp, great minds think alike--already on my list of things to do! Sort of like spey immersion--just what I need.
- On shad, again, great minds...I already bought a Z-Axis 6126 and am getting expert advice from people on this site about lines--probably a Vision Ace from Deschutes for the floater, and a Rio compact Skandi for the shad/stripers. I fish for shad every year--they come up the river past my house--their presence announced by the cormorants, the Mafia of birds.
Thanks for the great advice!
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ehrpower...

I was there, too....Year ago or so.

But you will pick up the lingo pretty quickly....

And just by reading a bunch you'bb begin to get a feel for different lines and rods..or at least people's conceptions of them...

I've got my first full year of speying in...I'm no longer a rookie...

I even think I know a bit...you'lll get there, too...

This stuff is a bad drug....Or is it a good one?

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- On shad, again, great minds...I already bought a Z-Axis 6126 and am getting expert advice from people on this site about lines--probably a Vision Ace from Deschutes for the floater, and a Rio compact Skandi for the shad/stripers. I fish for shad every year--they come up the river past my house--their presence announced by the cormorants, the Mafia of birds.
The Vision Ace is a compact scandi'. Rio's scandi' is called AFS. For tip work, skagit lines are most popular. Haven't researched Rio's AFS tips.
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Spey Junky: Thanks. What might "tip work" be?
I misspoke--it is the Airflo compact Skandi that I'm speaking of--in 390.
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"Tip work." Fly fishing speak for any fishing with a sink tip. The Airflo Compact Scandi is Airflo's version of the Vision Ace Scandinavian head. They are both compact Scandinavian heads. Would hate to see you get two of the same style of lines, mistakenly.
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"tip work" is also what your rod builder may end up having to do if you aren't careful while speycasting under overhanging trees! LOL, just jk
welcome aboard.

Those old battlefields have a somber vibe. I grew up on the East Coast and have visited some of them; Gettysburg on a foggy day is sobering. Makes you stop and think. I passed through those parts hiking the Appalachian Trail too, did 500 miles of it once, solo thruhiking.
beautiful country. I grew up in a town in Jersey that was established in 1743. lots of history there. the West is very different.
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